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  • #16
    It is true I have never used Kirker, however that doesnt mean squat.. Yes I think you have a pretty car Jim.. I tell you that often.. Yet I do remember not too long ago you mentioning that the hood had faded.. That is from the poor color fastness of the paint, meaning the lack of good amount of UV inhibitors in the color not the clear.. Has nothing to do with the clear, your bodywork or the final buff job..

    EIDT: THE HOOD HAS NOT FADED ON THIS CAR, IT SIMPLY WAS THE BUMPER HAD FADED AS MOST OEM CARS DO THE SAME THING.. MY APOLOGIES TO JIM!!


    You can draw a killer mural with sharpie markers.. Clear it with whatever clear and let it set in the sun and it will fade out..
    Same thing with Candy paint.. Has everything to do with uv inhibitors when a quality clear like Universal is used over it..

    What you also fail to mention to these people is this.. You couldnt spray the single stage as a single stage paint,, It was soooooo runny, you had to dry spray on the single stage like a base coat in order to create uniformity in the metallic and to keep that fork lift paint from running onto the floor.. You are a very good experienced painter who was able to make do with the situation..

    Suggesting that a new painter or hobbyist is going to be able to replicate your procedure is not realistic.. Not to mention that each batch is noticeably different in shade, again not out of my mouth, but those of you who use the paint..

    If you take those few things I have mentioned that are never mentioned when someone talks how good Kirker is... In my humble opinion its easy to understand why we don't recommend that paint to people.. I personally think it to be irresponsible on our part here..

    We are hear to help people, not have them waste their money on paint they will have to persuade onto a car, and use tricks they probably wont know about to make it look worth anything..


    Look at it like this..

    1. Must dry spray a single stage paint that is technically supposed to be applied wet
    2. Must purchase all the extra paint you may think you will need in order to keep it in the same family shade.
    3. Must be able to make the dry sprayed paint have uniformity without stripes..

    If your willing to tell everyone that you recommend that paint to all the downsides you have experienced but are willing to accept because its dirt cheap, thats one thing.. But to say its great and leave it at that is completely misleading..

    I know you personally Jim and I know you are not at all trying to mislead anyone, so please dont take my reply as such..
    Im simply stating things that someone looking at kirker paint should be aware of 1st ole buddy
    Last edited by Bondoking; 02-09-2011, 08:43 PM.
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    • #17
      Black Diamond is Kirker's base coat system. The color I am looking at is Viper Red. This paint will be used on a '68 Chevy truck. It seems that people either swear by Kirker or hate it. No middle ground.

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      • #18
        never mind
        Last edited by jcclark; 02-09-2011, 03:08 PM.
        JC
        (It's not custom paint-it's custom sanding)

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        • #19
          What's up with the "never mind"?

          Dang this paint stuff is weird.

          If I offended anyone with my questions sorry. I admit I am not a paint expert. I have painted two cars so I am not totally green.

          One of the reasons I am here is because my local PPG store could care less if I buy anything from them and there products are to me extremely expensive. So I read about SPI on other forums being a very good epoxy and clear. So I buy the epoxy and am looking down the road for paint and am trying to find a base to use with it. That's where the Summit and Kirker questions come from. Their marketing is similar to SPI as that it is a great product for hobbiest etc. If I got to use top shelf base that is available locally and also the big ticket item then why would I not buy everything from them?

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          • #20
            Sorry, it has nothing to do with you.
            I won't participate when lies start appearing about my car.
            If you want to know about another brand like Kirker,
            you need to ask on a different forum , not one that's dedicated to SPI.
            I don't know why people get so bent out of shape over Kirker.
            Here's a good one not supporting any brands.
            You'll get more unbiased opinions there.

            http://www.autobody101.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=5
            &
            http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/body-exterior/
            Last edited by jcclark; 02-09-2011, 08:10 PM.
            JC
            (It's not custom paint-it's custom sanding)

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            • #21
              I called Jim tonight to talk about his car,, I was wrong about his hood.., It hasnt faded, it was the bumper has slightly faded as most bumpers on cars do... So I was wrong about the hood on the car folks..

              My apologies to Mr. Clark as I meant not malace towards him or his car

              PD
              Number one reason for failure in small /new business is treating the money like it is yours.... Quote from Shine!!

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              • #22
                Bondo, you are just one heck of a standup guy!
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Barryk View Post
                  While we are on the subject.
                  How much is a gallon of Black base:
                  Lesional
                  Prospray
                  Deltron
                  Diamont
                  Auto base plus
                  Spies

                  Anyone know?
                  Pro-spray is around 150 if my memory serves me correctly.. that's for factory pack.
                  Mixed to code will be over 200

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                  • #24
                    sikkens 140 deep black right off the machine is going to run roughly $450-500 retail. i could be on the high end though...lesonal, dont expect MUCH less than that. Lesonal is begining to be a joke. The price difference is NONE when you compare the difference in coats needed to cover like sikkens.
                    http://www.elitecustoms.net

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                    • #25
                      I picked up a pint of DBC toyota black last week that was $57 so $456/gallon LOL, cry................

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by jeremyb View Post
                        sikkens 140 deep black right off the machine is going to run roughly $450-500 retail. i could be on the high end though...lesonal, dont expect MUCH less than that. Lesonal is begining to be a joke. The price difference is NONE when you compare the difference in coats needed to cover like sikkens.
                        A person needs to do some testing and math to determine if a product is cost effective for sure.
                        Last edited by Bob Hollinshead; 02-10-2011, 06:51 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Wow, I had no idea the lesional was like this, I have on the phone recommended it many times as it use to be one of the best buys out there, guess its been watered down, so will no longer recommend.
                          These prices are mind blowing to me, I had no idea, my gallon of SPI red base must be a misprint at $250 a gallon.

                          I think the 2 should have been an 8?
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                          • #28
                            lol! well i dont think that they are watering it down more, jus the price difference isn't there anymore for some reason. I would still use lesonal over deltron
                            http://www.elitecustoms.net

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                            • #29
                              Although the base I am looking at is Viper Red the black cost reference gets the point across. Thanks

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by portland View Post
                                Although the base I am looking at is Viper Red the black cost reference gets the point across. Thanks
                                That makes me feel better, if I read this right as red is the WORST color for fading and so important to go with a top grade base.
                                There is a chemical fact, that you can take the best clear made vs the worst clear made and if either is applied over a substandard color, the best VS the worst clear equals about 6 months more life out of the job.

                                Yet put the same two clears over a high quality base and the difference could be 5-15 years easily of longer life.
                                Barry@kives.net
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