Thank you for the replies guys, I am needing some 2-3000 grit and some scuff pads and wanted to get opinions before I order. I got a super deal on boxes of 100 count 3m ceramic 4-500 grit hook and loop from a guy I met through the net, He has 4-500 boxes and sells them for 25-30 a box. That is a real deal, If you guys want any just shoot me a pm and I'll give you his number.