black base/euro vs. SS black

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Which is a deeper black, black base/euro or SS black? or no difference?
Which will give a higher shine after cut and buff? or no difference?

I just sprayed this over the weekend, black base/euro and love the look. I'd like the simplicity of SS, but don't to give up the deep black and gloss level.

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Good discussion about this here:

 
Ask 50 painters, and you will get 25 different answers and reasons.

All the answers are correct and a matter of personal opinion.

Me, I vote for the base, but that and 50 cents will get you a half cup of coffee.
+1 on the base. A couple of years ago I painted my first car and used SPI black base and 6 coats of Universal clear. I wet sanded 3 coats off and then used the 3M Perfect-it system. Let me tell you, this thing is BLACK and I get asked at nearly every car show what I used.
 

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painted in 95 with centari enamel . flames were added a few years ago . if i shoot a single color it will be single stage . especially black . if you want a deeper rich black add some phaloe blue .View attachment 15713
The phalo blue is used by grams to make ordinary blacks look blacker by manufacturers that use a courses grind, a cheap way.
Do not try in a raw black like SPI or ppg 9700; I think is their part number.
A black black is made by grinding the carbon finer, like say 1/2 micron instead of the standard 4 to 8-micron size.
Years ago, I paid to dispose of a 100-gallon batch when I added about 4 0z approx of phalo blue. I knew better, duh.
 
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Are you saying to add phthalo toner to SS black? SS SPI? If so roughly how much?
never need it in spi , dont screw with perfection . i started doing this in the early 70's . at the time my bank was RM . just a touch of blue gave it a little richer look . for years we had to put up with dirty blacks as color quality was not like today . but then few oem colors were that great back then . metallics were so bad i refused to paint them . i have likely done the above paint job over a hundred times over the years .
 
The SPI tech line suggested that I mix Universal Clear into the single stage final coats to give it more depth.

I’d like to see several cars side by side to compare. Base/UV clear, base/UV euro, Single Stage, ss with clear mixed in last coats, ss topped with UV clear

SPI should host a car show allowing only cars painted with SPI so I could see things first hand.
It would probably become more prestigious than the pebble beach or Detroit autorama.
 
adding the blue to a black will make it look blacker and richer in normal light but in direct sun it will make a black have a maroon/purple cast to it so it ends up having the opposite effect. in the wanda line they have their regular black then there is a toner called deep black which is just black candy. if you mix them maybe 2 pt blk and 1 pt blk candy then it makes a super dark and rich black. the candy makes a huge difference as it kills that grey/brown cast you get in the sun with straight black. spi blk however is super black alreay and needs none of this.
 
back in the early 70's Glasurit had a black that was outrageous . couldn't read the label but damn it was deep and rich . used it at a Mercedes shop that imported all the paint . only thing i could read was the code .
 
I took a slightly curved piece of fiberglass (lower qtr from a 66 vette), and sprayed it with 3 variants, single stage, single stage/euro 2020, and base/euro 2020. Then cut and buffed it and took this photo. Now the sun was shinning directly on the single stage only section, so the color difference is a little more dramatic because of that.
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Perfect, there is no wrong way here.

It's what you want.

I wouldn't say I like the idea we said you should, I will give options if asked, but I have seen a Rusty Gillis
Four coats of
Black SS with no clear added and loved it.
 
just to be clear, is this spi single stage black?

i have shot the spi and i dont remember it having that much brown flop in the sun. its been awhile but i remember it being way more black like the base pic
 
Hi Ken. I am not sure what to conclude from that. What did you conclude?

A better test might be three pics with each sample rotated to the same positions so it’s apples to apples.

What was your cut and buff method? I have a recollection that you buff a relatively coarse grade of cut.

How many coats of each? What sealer? So many variables, you have to carefully define the conditions.

Don
 
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Man this thread hits home… :). I’ve sprayed a little SPI single stage black and it doesn’t look like that test. :). I think more info on the test conditions is needed before drawing conclusions. Cutting and buffing single stage takes time as Rusty says above. Buffing 1500 probably won’t cut it, pun intended… :)

The 69 and 70 Camaros were Goodguys winners.
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Don
 
@dhutton01 , didn't you have a pic showing one of your black Camaros sitting beside another black Camaro at a car show. Best illustration I've seen on how black SPI SS is.
 
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