Body/paint procedure question

J

jeremyb

Ok, so i want to ask everyone here a question. Who actually does bodywork over an entire car and gets it as straight is it can get, then seals with epoxy as a sealer then basecoats/clearcoats and it looks like a show car!?

I see this crap being posted all the time (not here)...that if you do all of your filler work and is straight...all you need to do is seal with epoxy and paint. Am i missing something? Aparently all of us have been doing it wrong with all of this extra priming and blocking nonsense?
 
JB,
I wish I was that good, but I don't think I will ever see that day.

I get the same phone call all the time from other people that have read the same thing.

I have never meant a body man that good.
 
sure. i do it all the time. finish all my filler work then seal it with about 8 coats of epoxy..... :)
 
I'm no pro, but a pretty good sculptor. What I find is I can get it really good with filler (even skimcoating the entire panel when nessesary) But there will be minor imperfections that if I tried to go back and use filler, I would cause more damage than good becuse the outerlying areas would get sanded down too. That's when I use the primer to help level out those areas. It's also surprising what little things show up after a frsh coat of primer.
 
First off, I don't believe 1/2 of what I have read on those other boards. There are some that post on some boards that I don't believe have ever done bodywork of any sort, let alone for a show car. Then there are some photos that have been re-worked and taken from the right angles to avoid seeing the real appearance. I have also had "painters" tell me that, if the body work was done properly, there would be no need for filler primer. Then again, I am not at all impressed with their pant work either.

I will always shoot primer on any bodywork for blocking. I know some pretty good bodymen, but none that I feel are good enough to simply seal their bodywork and paint over it.

Aaron
 
I actually had an arguement with an owner of a big time collision shop on the same subject. He just couldn't understand why we used so much primer and blocked so much. Said if the bodywork was done and straight we should just seal it and shoot it. He has never done this type of work....so there ya go.

I'm always pushing myself and asking if i'm taking things too far when blocking and sanding...till i talk to others and get on HERE and read.
 
If I am doing a job with epoxy only (any resto), I might block and re-prime around 4 times or so. Besides, part of the point of the filler on epoxy technique is to seal the metal against corrosion, so we end up fixing a bunch of stuff, then re-priming the bare sand-throughs. Then block and fix a few more things, re-prime. Block and catch the errant pinholes, than re-prime. Occasionally, a job will call for some poly primer, but even still, it must be re-coated with epoxy for maximum adhesion and gloss holdout.

Epoxy should be re-coated with itself for maximum adhesion if it has been curing for a while. That's another reason we do things that way, project cars can sit for a while, especially in our shop where we deal with a lot of daily driver cars, too. So if a car has been left alone for a while, it gets blown off, wiped down with W&G remover, re-sanded, and shot with 2 coats of epoxy.

With the results I have seen you achieve, it seems doubtful that you should need to justify yourself to anyone. Doesn't the work speak for itself?
 
on several sites i just dont post any more. between google experts and the wannabe's it is just a waste of time. funny how if you ask for some pics or other proof they just ignore the question. just like the bs arguments about acid or etch primer.
 
When it comes to doing bodywork, I am always willing to listen to different methods, in an attempt to learn something. In reality, the only opinion that really matters to me is MINE. At work, if my boss has a problem with my proceedures, he has a right to replace me. If someone ownes a car that I am working on, or might work on, and they have a problem with my proceedures they can take their car to someone else.

Aaron
 
ADTKART;3432 said:
When it comes to doing bodywork, I am always willing to listen to different methods, in an attempt to learn something. In reality, the only opinion that really matters to me is MINE. At work, if my boss has a problem with my proceedures, he has a right to replace me. If someone ownes a car that I am working on, or might work on, and they have a problem with my proceedures they can take their car to someone else.

Aaron
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Well said buddy!!!! You never stop learning doing this work.. I guess its a reason many of us do it.. We MUST LOVE a challenge.. After all many of us are married with kids:p how much more of a challenge do we need ;);)
 
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