Fisheyes or Solvent Pop?

Know that once silicone is on a panel it's pretty much on there forever (short of super-human effort). I would shoot a known-clean test panel right alongside your problem vehicle the next time you're shooting clear on it.
 
Before you break the bank, just an idea!!!
Was this painted over fresh clear that had not been in the sun??
When you do it again, sand till perfect and give it a day or two in the sun to remove solvents.
1st time it was not. But 2nd, 3rd and 4th, yes-I will let it set for a couple of weeks, thank you for your input-
 
just a thought, if your wiping with 700 before you spray even though everything seems dry there can be moisture left in the surface. You really need to give the 700 some time to dry before spraying. Could need 15 min, could need over an hour depending on conditions and airflow. Also not sure at what point in the process your using the 700.
You know, on some of the first coats I waited about an hour or so, on the last one I waited overnight-
 
Know that once silicone is on a panel it's pretty much on there forever (short of super-human effort). I would shoot a known-clean test panel right alongside your problem vehicle the next time you're shooting clear on it.
That is a great idea, I will-if it is, I wonder what do do about that, although I carefully used W & G remover at least three times before sanding it with 600/red scotchbrite-
 
That is a great idea, I will-if it is, I wonder what do do about that, although I carefully used W & G remover at least three times before sanding it with 600/red scotchbrite-
I've never lived the silicone "dream" (i.e., nightmare). Maybe someone else here has had some success.
 
i've used CG for over 30 years . never had a problem. i do my buffing in the booth so if there was silicone in it my booth would be destroyed.
I did contact CG regarding Silicone in their glazes/waxes and was told no, but that doesn't include their low sheen tire dressing I used last summer-thanks-
 
i've used CG for over 30 years . never had a problem. i do my buffing in the booth so if there was silicone in it my booth would be destroyed.
I don't believe the compound had any, but any of their interior, rubber, tire dressing, glazes, detail sprays, besides Nonsense, probably do since they wouldn't say they didn't. I used a compound and glaze back in the early '90's that was the newest thing. They called them chemical compounds because there was little to no grit. The compound was blue and the glaze was pink. Kept having random fisheye problems and narrowed it down to happening when the other painter was buffing. Called the rep to come out and asked him face to face if the products had any silicone. He finally admitted the glaze had a small amount. Needless to say, I was pissed after fighting the problem for months. If any detailing product does not say silicone free, or bodyshop safe, it has it. "Shines" or "protects" on the label are big red flags.
 
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I would love to show one, but I've already sanded it off-
The reason I asked is because fisheyes and solvent pop look completely different and have different causes.
I downloaded an Automotive Paint Troubleshooting Guide a number of years ago. It has pictures of all the different issues, explanations on what causes them and instructions on how to repair them.
 
if your finding a few random craters it is not fisheye . fisheyes will be a bunch . the craters are often a single drop of water condensing on the tip and blowing into the fan. by the time your done the water is likely gone leaving a crater . drop of clear and you're done .
 
if your finding a few random craters it is not fisheye . fisheyes will be a bunch . the craters are often a single drop of water condensing on the tip and blowing into the fan. by the time your done the water is likely gone leaving a crater . drop of clear and you're done .
It's a bunch of Craters, so I believe it to be Fisheye-I'm sorry now that I didn't take a picture, if it happens again I'll show it (right after I shoot myself :) )-

I think Barry is on to something here-on the second, third and fourth tries I did re-paint two days after each one back-to-back (sanding in between), so it makes sense that it was still off-gassing, causing the Fisheyes-

I'm still going to take extreme precautions (I really don't want to do this again), and try again later this week-

I was accepted into the Autorama happening this weekend but had to back out-oh well, maybe next year-
 
Man that sucks that you had to miss it. :(You've got a beautiful car.

If the deadline is passed, let the fenders (?) sit in the sun for a full couple of days. You can do an initial sand then let them sit. It will do nothing but good as you have a lot of material on there now. It needs to gas out.

Then when ready to try again, after it's sanded and ready, good detergent wash with only Dawn (nothing else important) then wipe down. Read that thread I linked to in an earlier post. Clean your mixing cups with W&G remover and wipes just like you would the car. Use only new "low tack" tack cloths. Wait the full 30 minutes between coats of clear.
 
Man that sucks that you had to miss it. :(You've got a beautiful car.

If the deadline is passed, let the fenders (?) sit in the sun for a full couple of days. You can do an initial sand then let them sit. It will do nothing but good as you have a lot of material on there now. It needs to gas out.

Then when ready to try again, after it's sanded and ready, good detergent wash with only Dawn (nothing else important) then wipe down. Read that thread I linked to in an earlier post. Clean your mixing cups with W&G remover and wipes just like you would the car. Use only new "low tack" tack cloths. Wait the full 30 minutes between coats of clear.
Thank you so much for the compliment-

I appreciate the tech tips, and hadn't thought of wiping out the mixing cups-will definitely do, as well as use Dawn- iI'm trying to leave nothing to chance-
 
I know it's been a little while dunce I opened this Thread, but I thought I'd check back in and let all of you know the outcome-
As usual, Barry was right-I sat it out in the Sun for a couple if Days, sanded with 600 and reshot it with 6 coats absolutely no fish eye at all, and it came out perfect-
I would like to thank everyone for their help!
I took it to a local show yesterday (with over 600 Cars), and came away with Best In Show! :)
 
I know it's been a little while dunce I opened this Thread, but I thought I'd check back in and let all of you know the outcome-
As usual, Barry was right-I sat it out in the Sun for a couple if Days, sanded with 600 and reshot it with 6 coats absolutely no fish eye at all, and it came out perfect-
I would like to thank everyone for their help!
I took it to a local show yesterday (with over 600 Cars), and came away with Best In Show! :)
Congratulations! Post up some pics!

Don
 
Well, you asked, and I know my Car isn't everyone's cup of Tea-I can't tell the order of the Photos, but it looks like the second one (maybe) shows the Trophy (the Show was sponsored by a large local Harley dealer-they made the Trophies (it's kinda heavy, but it spins! :)
Thanks for asking, I was shocked when they called my name (I met a lot of really nice people, had a great time but I was packing up to leave!)-
 

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