Hammer and Dolly Tools

Machspeed

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I need to acquire a better hammer or two to work metal. I have an old HF set but it really sucks. I think the dolly's would be ok but the hammers are seriously lacking. This from a guy who knows nothing, though. I'm not going to do this for a living and I just really want the bare minimum to get me through a couple of projects. Thoughts and comments appreciated.

John
 
I built a set of 20 assorted hammers-Plomb, Martin, etc.-from ebay. I think I paid $10.00 on average for each. Some needed new handles, which I found very reasonably priced through Beaver Tooth Handle Company. Same with the dollies-I found all of mine on ebay. The trick is to have a lot of patience, set your max bid, and walk away. There will always be another set or individual up for bid.

Used hammers and dollies will need a little TLC, such as sanding and polishing, maybe new handles, etc. It doesn't take long to do.
 
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I'll post some of what I got this evening after I take some pics. Like Avanti said Ebay is your best bet. Older is better. Most of the new stuff out there (with the exception of Martin Tools) is low quality. Only new manufacturer that I really like is Picard. Made in Germany, limited distribution in the US. Proto, Plomb (older versions of Proto not to be confused with Plumb which were hardware store ball peens for the most part). Snap-On (older is better) Blue Point (old stuff when they made it in the USA not Taiwan) Porter Ferguson and Fairmount (old stuff not the rebadged Taiwan stuff some places are selling. Martin tools makes and sells what used to be Fairmount USA. Proto/Plomb are some of my favorite hammers, especially with the original handles. Herberand was another good manufacturer.

Off the top of my head a few essential body hammers
Proto 1424
Proto 1427
Proto 1426
Proto 1421
Snap On BF 618.................................there are others I can't remember the numbers. I'll share later.:)

Dollies in anything other than the three most common shapes are even harder to find but same rules apply. Older is better. Rough cast looking finishes on dollies = Junk. Old steel is high quality steel.

Excellent source for Picard Hammers

Picard Homepage (you can see some of the various dollies they sell) They reproduce most of the old Porter Ferguson dollies and some other unique ones. Expensive but German quality.

Only source for Picard dollies in the US. Any other company that advertises Picard Dollies in the US gets them through Halder. You have to call an order by phone as they are not on the website. They will direct order them from Picard in Germany. Much better prices than other US companies selling them on the web.
 
Thx Chris, wow those hammers off the top of your head!!! Anyway, there are a ton of different shapes and such. For a rookie like me who is learning and going to put these to limited use, what would be your top two hammers? I'm talking a couple hammers I could do most everything with. Could I also get away with using cheap dollys? As to dollys, top two shapes? I have no clue.

Have you heard anything about Dagger Tools hammer and dollys?
 
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Thx Chris, wow those hammers off the top of your head!!! Anyway, there are a ton of different shapes and such. For a rookie like me who is learning and going to put these to limited use, what would be your top two hammers? I'm talking a couple hammers I could do most everything with. Could I also get away with using cheap dollys? As to dollys, top two shapes? I have no clue.

Have you heard anything about Dagger Tools hammer and dollys?

I have some dagger stuff. Most of what they sell is other brands that they rebrand. Several of their hammers are Picards. No experience with their dollies but they would be miles ahead of HF stuff. Probably a good choice to start with.
Look at Ebay searching "vintage body hammer" and it will bring up a lot of results. Most of the stuff though now is way overpriced IMO. Be patient you can sometimes find some bargains. TheHammerSource is a great site for Picard body hammers at fair prices.
Top two would be Proto 1424 (or similar) and the Proto 1427. But you find once you start doing this that you need others. Those are two of the most used though.
 
Took a few pics, quality isn't as good as I would like since my iPhone died. Had to use my old digital camera. Bear with me as I am not Robert (MP&C) when it comes to posting pics.

First pic is some of the Picard dollies I have. Some are old enough that they were made in West Germany:)
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Some body hammers
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From left to right: Proto 1424, Proto 1421, Proto 1427, Plomb 1427 (from the 1930's:))

Some more
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Left to right: Fairmount 161, Fairmount 161 that I ground a reverse curve in, Proto 1426 (door skin hammer) Porter Ferguson BH-8 door skin hammer (my favorite door skin hammer) Picard (same as a Proto 1424 but deeper reach helps when working around obstructions) Snap-On BF618, and a Proto 1428.

Most common dollies and one extra,
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Little hourglass shaped one is one of my favorites for working out small dings. This one is a Blue Point from the '40's. Picard makes one similar.

I have a problem
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Ya think?
LOL....too funny! I spent some time on ebay looking today and they're not selling tools. What they are selling is collectables and they want $$$....sheez!!!

Chris, why don't you pick a few things out of that drawer there and sell'em to your good buddy here! You ain't never gonna use all those.
 
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LOL....too funny! I spent some time on ebay looking today and they're not selling tools. What they are selling is collectables and they want $$$....sheez!!!

Chris, why don't you pick a few things out of that drawer there and sell'em to your good buddy here! You ain't never gonna use all those.

This may sound strange but most of those hammers are like old friends to me. Some of those Picard dollies were given to me by a old body guy back in the early 90's at the Mercedes specialist shop I was at.. He was like a second father to me. He passed away about 20 years ago, and I'm tearing up now thinking about him. Others I remember where I was when I found them. A couple of them were my Father's. Hard to part with any of them.

I will do this though, I'll try and find some links to good stuff at fair prices for you. Start small like you were saying and go from there. I'll send you some links in a PM.
 
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I have a problem
I guess everybody has to collect something:) I have a lot of old tools that were my dad's that I still use daily. One is a die grinder that is at least 40+ years old, weighs about 5 pounds, but is indestructible. What makes me sick is thinking about all the "specialty" tools my bodyman had when he died. His brother got all his tools, and probably pawned what he could, and threw away the rest.
 
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I guess everybody has to collect something:) I have a lot of old tools that were my dad's that I still use daily. One is a die grinder that is at least 40+ years old, weighs about 5 pounds, but is indestructible. What makes me sick is thinking about all the "specialty" tools my bodyman had when he died. His brother got all his tools, and probably pawned what he could, and threw the away the rest.

That's too bad about your bodyguy. I lost a bunch of what I had in a fire at the Shop I was working at in 2009. A Mac Tools Macsimizer box completely packed with stuff. Some of the old "specialty" stuff that you just can't replace. Never even was compensated for it. That was rough.
One thing about old tools especially USA made old tools is if you treated them right they pretty much will last a lifetime. That Plomb 1427 hammer in the above pic was my Dad's that he used at Fisher Body in the early 1930's. I still use it a lot today almost 90 years later. If that sounds strange my Dad was almost 65 when I was born. (Mom was 28:)) And I have a younger sister. :D
 
Don't know if anyone cares but I'll beg everyone's indulgence. This thread got me thinking about the past and my Dad a bit tonight. Then I realized that he passed away 19 years ago today. Couldn't believe that I almost forgot. Thought I'd share a little bit about him. Again I'll beg everyone's indulgence.

He lived a pretty extraordinary life. Born in 1907 in Kansas, the son of German immigrants. At 16, he watched his Dad die after being gored by a bull. Family already had a lot of tragedy but that was the topper. Somehow he discovered he had a talent for singing. Moved to Kansas City in his early 20's to study Opera under a man named Lawrence Tibbett. He worked at the Fisher Body Plant in KC, nights, doing leadwork on Chevrolets. This was at the height of the Depression. He moved to New York to further his Opera Career and for a while it looked as if he was going to become a star. Then he got a sinus infection that he couldn't get rid of. This was before antibiotics. Took almost nine months for him to get over it. The infection took just enough off his voice that now opera was out of the question.

Started doing theater on Broadway, and was set to sign a movie contract with MGM in 1939. Then Hitler invaded Poland. With the uncertainty of looming war MGM and the other studios halted any new contracts. Enlisted in WWII where he was assigned to do entertainment along with many others. Bunked with Mario Lanza, John Weitz and others. They performed "Winged Victory" among other plays. Both in the States and in Europe. After the War he went back to NYC where he was in several Broadway Shows including the original Broadway run of Oklahoma, where he played Judd Fry. Unfortunately by this time he had developed a drinking problem. My Dad never did anything small and by 1949 he was drinking three fifth bottles of Rye Liquor a day. This led to him being fired from Oklahoma. and also losing out on appearing in the upcoming Oklahoma movie. He went to California and got some work in some TV shows including The Lone Ranger. But he was an alcoholic and that ultimately ruined any chance for him in TV and Film. But he found a new program called Alcoholics Anonymous and rededicated his life to Jesus Christ. God took away any desire that he had for alcohol and for the rest of his life he never had a single drop of it. He always credited God for this, because nearly all former alcoholics struggle almost daily with wanting to drink again.

He had various jobs/careers in the 50's and '60's. Owned a printing business in Las Vegas in the mid '50's. (he had some great Mob stories), then went to work for a Christian Literacy Organization called Laubach Literacy. In 1967 he met my Mom at a Church in Massachusetts where he was promoting Laubach. They were married within six months. He was almost 61, she was 24!!!!! He used to call my Grandma "Mom" even though he was three years older than her. :) My folks struggled financially when I was a young boy. We were very poor, living in Galveston Texas. In 1975 at the age of 67, he got a job working for Brown and Root Construction in Baytown Texas. He lied to the guy who hired him and told him he was 54. This was a physically demanding job that required him climbing upwards of 300 feet and working in confined space in the brutal South Texas heat. He was so happy to have that job though. Because it meant that we could have a life. He worked all the overtime he could get. I can remember not seeing him for weeks, except for when he would leave very early in the morning and I would look out my window at him leaving. Those days were some of the happiest of my childhood though, I loved Texas.

In 1980 we moved to Duxbury Massachusetts, after my Great Grandmother passed away and gave the house to my Folks. This house had been in my Mother's family since it was built in 1744. It had no modern improvements when we got there. There was no indoor plumbing only a hand pump in the kitchen. Duxbury was (and is) one of the wealthiest towns in Mass. so this was very unusual. So my Dad restored the entire home over the next five years, essentially by himself (and me). It was three years before we had a bathroom. Home also had almost 10 acres of land which for Duxbury was very unusual. He planted a huge garden every year. Almost 4 acres. No tractor just a roto tiller. He kept bees. Planted fruit trees and strawberries which became so popular we sold several thousand dollars worth every year. All the while completely restoring this house. In 1986 he sold the house and land to a local developer. It has changed a lot since then. I've never been back there as it makes me sad thinking about it.

We moved to Virginia, my parents divorced, (when he was 90!!!) he moved back to California. He got sick and I took care of him at his home in California for the final six months of his life. That was the hardest thing I've ever had to do. He was almost 94 when he died. I was 28.
He was a son of a bitch much of the time, but he was an extraordinary man as well. I know I'll see him one day again.:)
Thanks for letting me share this.:)


Couple of pics of him as Judd Fry in Oklahoma
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His stage name was Bruce Hamilton. His real name was Joseph Meyer. I use Hamilton in my username as a tribute to him.
 
Incredible story! I would really have to sit down and think to remember those kind of details, but those memories are really something to cherish. I am always fascinated by the stories that our elders tell about how things were as they were growing up. Unbelievable how much things have changed in the last 100 years. I imagine the times we are going through right now will be told by many later in life, just hope and pray for a positive change and a happy ending.
 
This may sound strange but most of those hammers are like old friends to me. Some of those Picard dollies were given to me by a old body guy back in the early 90's at the Mercedes specialist shop I was at.. He was like a second father to me. He passed away about 20 years ago, and I'm tearing up now thinking about him. Others I remember where I was when I found them. A couple of them were my Father's. Hard to part with any of them.

I will do this though, I'll try and find some links to good stuff at fair prices for you. Start small like you were saying and go from there. I'll send you some links in a PM.


Chris, I fully understand this and you have no problem, my friend.

I'm 60 now and still have stuff that takes me back to my youth and reminds me of special times. Among many things, I still have my old Hot Wheels cars, some of which are probably worth some good money. Of these, I have many. I'm a military brat and every weekend my mother would go to the commissary and base exchange to get groceries and such. I always loved it when I could go with her because I knew I could con her into a new Hot Wheels car. Sometimes, when I look at them, I can remember the specific dialogue and the exchange in conversation as to what I would do if she would get me that particular car. That was many years ago and they bring a smile to my face when I look at them and reflect. Prior to the Hot Wheels, I recall my father taking me to the base exchange one Saturday in Long Beach California for my bi-monthly military style buzz cut.... would have been about 1965-66. There was a bunch of cars on the outlier of the parking lot with rumbling motors. After I got my hair cut, my father and I ventured over to the area to see a bunch of Shelby Cobras and GT-40s. I can still hear the pipes from one of those Cobras. I suspect Carrol Shelby was there that day. Before we left, my dad bought me a white and blue striped Match Box GT-40 from a vendor there. That GT-40 was my first collectable diecast. It was a treasure to me and sadly, somewhere along the way, I lost it. The car in my avatar is like those diecast and very special to me. It was my first car and my father helped me acquire it. The story behind it's acquisition is really strange and among every material thing I have it is at the top. I will never sell her! I know, it's not right to put so much value on a material thing, but it is not about that. It's more about the joy that it brings me. When I post my build up, I will share the story on how I acquired that car.

Chris, thanks so much for sharing a piece of yourself. I really enjoyed it and feel I know you all the more.

John
 
Chris, remember your story about your dad you posted a few years back, he was a pretty noteworthy dude. Makes some of us in our 40's & 50's feel like whiny little pu**ys. Hold you're head up brother, because you come from that bloodline.

Now Chris, here's what worries me about you...….. If I snuck in & took 1 hammer from your drawerful, you'd notice it's missing.:(
 
Chris, remember your story about your dad you posted a few years back, he was a pretty noteworthy dude. Makes some of us in our 40's & 50's feel like whiny little pu**ys. Hold you're head up brother, because you come from that bloodline.

Now Chris, here's what worries me about you...….. If I snuck in & took 1 hammer from your drawerful, you'd notice it's missing.:(


Forgot that I posted that JL. Yeah he was a tough SOB that's for sure. I had a very conflicted relationship with him and we didn't make peace until those final months. That and being relatively young when he died...I still miss him. Would have been nice to have a relationship with my Dad as an adult.
Another thing I've come to appreciate as I have gotten older, is like you said that Generation was tough. Real toughness. We owe them so much gratitude for the sacrifices they made in WWII. Wish I had realized that when I was young and thanked more of those guys, but back then they were just the old guys yelling at us to get off their lawn.:)

As for the tools I'm not as bad as I used to be.... :D
 
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