Jeep Frame epoxy job questions

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TJosh

I have a couple of general questions for those here I was hoping you guys could help answer. I am planning to use the epoxy primer (already bought the gallon size duo) on my '02 Jeep TJ's frame for helping prevent rusting. I realize most folks here are perfectionists who are restoring vehicles and such. This isn't like that in that I don't really care about looks of the paint job. It is an 18yo Jeep used for adventures and offroading, so the body has some trail love already. I am looking to keep a good condition frame from rotting like so many others here in Ontario (this jeep came from the west coast a few years back which is why it is still clean).

My questions:
How important is using the Waterborne W&G Remover on the frame before the epoxy? TBH, I am really hoping to get away with not using it and just taking a flap disc with my angle grinder to the frame to get it a quick clean-up first. I bought the Epoxy Primer and had to pay $100 flat rate shipping. Then I read the instructions and it says to use the remover. I don't mind paying the $52 for the can but not another $100 shipping. That is way too much.

I am planning to brush it on, which I read seems OK if you aren't looking for finish work. Spraying is a non-starter for numerous practical reasons. Looks don't really matter in this case.

If I were to use the WG remover, would it reverse my efforst of using Eastwood Internal Frame protector? I already sprayed two coats of (one KDS, one Eastwood) internal frame stuff which was expensive. I'd rather not get remover inside the frame that reverses this effort. If remover is a *must* I guess I could tape up all the frame holes first.

I want to 'do it right' in the sense that I want the protection to last years at minimum, but also trying to keep the cost reasonable.
 
I've been using W&G remover from a local autobody supply store and haven't had an issue. You should wash with a pressure washer and dawn soap and water after doing your grinding. This will cut down on how much W&G remover you use and get most of the contaminants off.

W&G remover shouldn't remove any coatings, it's just a cleaner.

Brushing on is fine.

You must be paying a lot for shipping due to your location.
 
Thanks. I am in Toronto.

I was thinking of maybe finding something equivalent that is easier to get my hands on at Canadian Tire for example. Something that will still work with the SPI primer

For example, I can drive a couple blocks to Canadian Tire and pickup a bottle of mineral spirits $7/L and POR-15's Cleaner Degreaser $17/qt which says it is water based. It might not be a good as SPI, and I am not questioning that but would it impede on the epoxy primer doing its job well?
 
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You don't want to use mineral spirits on something you are going to put any automotive grade refinish product on. The two are not compatible.

Here is the PPG Distributor Locator for Canada. Enter your address and multiple choices will appear. Go to one of those and get refinish grade W&G removers. At the very least get several rolls of quality paper towels to apply and remove the W&G remover with. Don't use rags especially used rags or detail cloths etc.

RefinishLocator

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WOW that shipping is expensive! Is it just because of chemicals from US to Canada??

I thought I read here, there was a supplier somewhere in Canada.
Would that cut down on shipping if the product was already in your borders?
(Quick search of "Shipping to Canada" brought up some old posts from 2017 and 2012, etc)
 
It was a $100 CAD for flat rate shipping from Manitoba to here in Toronto. I found an authorized retailer now in Ontario but I don't yet know where in Ontario. Canada has some of the highest shipping rates (and phone rates, and internet rates) in the developed world.
 
TJosh said:
is POR-15 Cleaner Degreaser an auto grade refinish product?
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Nothing POOR-15 makes is going on any of my cars. Others may disagree but that's where I stand.

This is not a job you want to do twice when you don't have to. I would start with dawn dish soap and a few Maroon Scotchbrite pads and scrub every inch of the frame to remove grease and grime.
 
Is there something specific about the Dawn brand of dishsoap vs say, Palmolive?
 
The folks at the detailing forums swear by Dawn Ultra also. They use it to pull all the waxes and sealers off for a thorough wash job prior to correcting the paint.
I'd guess that a soap like Pamolive, which sells itself as softening your hands also, leaves undesirables behind.
 
Dawn is by far the best grease detergent in regards to dish wash soaps (without going to a caustic degreaser). Many contain Glycerine and other conditioning agents to keep your skin from drying out when doing the dishes (not good for paint finishes. Dawn does not contain them and uses a unique surfactant package that is ideal for cleaning while being mild as well.
 
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