Presta

i saw flex out at sema and they are really nice. when my makita finally goes thats what i will get next. shine when 3m came out with the 3000 years ago it pretty much sucked. it has been updated more than once. the newest version is really great and what jim and i were talking about. its 06085. i thought the extra cut that bob is using was discontinued. i believe its the version before this new stuff. could be wrong though, they might still make it. a lot of guys out there rave about the meguiars m105 compound. since 3m bought meguiars its actually just 06085 relabeled.....more or less. its also cheaper.
 
I like the presta myself, but I do buff at a pretty high speed, if you don't it doesn't work as good.
People tend to look at me funny when i buff, and ask why i have it up so much.. lol.
 
You can go low rpm with Presta but it takes longer and uses more product. You can also buff out 3000 and 4000 grit scratches with Presta vs using that high dollar 3M because 3000 and 4000 grit scratches aren't exactly a challenge to remove.
 
i guess that was it jim but i absolutely hate 3m buffing compounds. i bought 3 different qrts and worked for days getting nothing but shiny scratches. matter of fact there's not much 3 m makes any more that i care for. the green tape sucks.

i tried the presta but it was just slow going for me. i'm just use to something that cuts. if it is the speed them i'm toast because i just dont like heating up the panel that way. old dogs bite before changing. i ordered new compound along with the flex buffer so maybe i'll be ok.
 
weighs less than 4.5 lbs. compared to the cinder block i've been using it has to be better. also order the hex-loc pads.
 
Chroma 2000 - what's the closest replacement? 1500?
I loved the stuff so much i still have a couple squirts left in bottle i can't part with from 15yrs ago.
Blue foam pad worked beautiful with it.
 
Never used it. Chroma 1500 is mostly for buffing cured paint, it will remove 2000 grit and finer. It must be followed by Swirl Remover.
 
I ordered the chem guys 4oz trial size of 32 34 36 38, i'll be loving 2 of them i'm sure, if not all.
I use hex logic pads.

I'm just a diy wheelchair guy with 2 20yr old Caddy's that i've done hoods on finished with 3 heavy coats of Universal Clear sanded out to trizact before buff & blow away people with the uvc results. Love it Barry. Like glass.


Ok i'm done. This forum had results when i searched Presta 2000 & read enough here to know i'm dealing with good people.

Ed
 
I tried something different recently and had excellent results. After wet sanding and finishing with the 3000 and 5000 trizacts I realized I was out of the 3M blue compound that they recommend. I can't remember the name atm I think it;'s called finishing compound. I've never really liked it. Anyways only thing I had was some Transtar 3 in 1 compound laying around so I tried it with the blue double sided 3M pad. Worked out nice, buffed quick and swirl free. Just to be sure I used some 3m UltraFina with the Blue Ultra fine pad to remove any haze/swirls. Worked way better than the 3M finishing compound. Much quicker as well.

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Barry said:
Buffing Made Easy With Presta Products

Presta Products are water based compounds are very easy to clean out of jambs, require very little product to use and they are very inexpensive as the typical gallon of compound or polish sells for about $38.00-$45.00 per gallon. The Presta finish will look the same after the car has been washed or set out in the sun!

Light and Dark color cars for a show car shine:

Step 1. Wet sand with 1200-2000 grit then begin buffing with Presta Ultra Cutting Crème with a white twisted wool pad. Twisted wool is very important as it cuts twice as fast as non-twisted wool pad. If you aren’t sure what type of pad you have ask your paint store. Place a quarter-sized glob on the panel and place the center of the buffer on top of this glob as this will keep you from slinging compound all over the place. Wool pads are designed to cut fast only at high speeds between 2300-2800 RPM’s. If you are afraid to run the buffer this fast then throw the wool pad away and get a cutting foam pad and anticipate on spending twice as much time buffing. Now buff a 2’x2’ square at a time with the Ultra Cutting Crème until all the scratches in that area are gone.

Step 2. Once you have removed your scratches with the Ultra Cutting Crème switch to a yellow wool pad and buff at the same RPM’s with Presta Chroma 1500 Polish. Start with a drop the size of a dime and work a 2’x2’ area. If you ever have a greasy surface then you used way too much polish. 2-3 quarter sized blobs of Presta 1500 will do an ENTIRE full size pickup hood! If a show car shine is not needed you can stop here.

Step 3. Now switch to a foam polishing pad and Presta Chroma 2000 Polish. Foam pads work best around 1500-1800 RPM’s. Start with a blob the size of a dime and work a 2’x2’ area. Complete the panel then with the remaining compound that is in your pad after spritzing the panel with Presta Aurora 4000 Spray N’ Shine. This will pull the polish out of the pad and break it down into a finer polish. Repeat this step as many times as you like if you are looking for a very deep show car shine.

Short cut: Light colored cars in a production shop:

Follow step one from above. With the Ultra Cutting Crème left on the panel switch to a yellow wool pad and spritz the panel with Aurora 4000. Buff at 2300-2800 rpm’s working a 2’x2’ area at a time until the panel is complete. This will provide a great finish on 99% of your light colored cars in a production shop.

Presta Products will work with foam pads, but you will NEVER find a foam-cutting pad that will cut as fast a wool-cutting pad. If you use foam pads anticipate using more product and time to buff and this is true with any compound line out there!
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Barry,
As this is an older post can you please provide your thoughts on the Ultra Buffing System Shop Pak (136089S) offered by Presta. I sprayed 4 coats of Universal Clear and after curing would like to follow your above process. I see that the Ultra Cutting Creme removes 1500 so would assume that you are saying to first wet sand with 1200 then 2000?
Any advice on this kit vs the


Barry said:
Buffing Made Easy With Presta Products

Presta Products are water based compounds are very easy to clean out of jambs, require very little product to use and they are very inexpensive as the typical gallon of compound or polish sells for about $38.00-$45.00 per gallon. The Presta finish will look the same after the car has been washed or set out in the sun!

Light and Dark color cars for a show car shine:

Step 1. Wet sand with 1200-2000 grit then begin buffing with Presta Ultra Cutting Crème with a white twisted wool pad. Twisted wool is very important as it cuts twice as fast as non-twisted wool pad. If you aren’t sure what type of pad you have ask your paint store. Place a quarter-sized glob on the panel and place the center of the buffer on top of this glob as this will keep you from slinging compound all over the place. Wool pads are designed to cut fast only at high speeds between 2300-2800 RPM’s. If you are afraid to run the buffer this fast then throw the wool pad away and get a cutting foam pad and anticipate on spending twice as much time buffing. Now buff a 2’x2’ square at a time with the Ultra Cutting Crème until all the scratches in that area are gone.

Step 2. Once you have removed your scratches with the Ultra Cutting Crème switch to a yellow wool pad and buff at the same RPM’s with Presta Chroma 1500 Polish. Start with a drop the size of a dime and work a 2’x2’ area. If you ever have a greasy surface then you used way too much polish. 2-3 quarter sized blobs of Presta 1500 will do an ENTIRE full size pickup hood! If a show car shine is not needed you can stop here.

Step 3. Now switch to a foam polishing pad and Presta Chroma 2000 Polish. Foam pads work best around 1500-1800 RPM’s. Start with a blob the size of a dime and work a 2’x2’ area. Complete the panel then with the remaining compound that is in your pad after spritzing the panel with Presta Aurora 4000 Spray N’ Shine. This will pull the polish out of the pad and break it down into a finer polish. Repeat this step as many times as you like if you are looking for a very deep show car shine.

Short cut: Light colored cars in a production shop:

Follow step one from above. With the Ultra Cutting Crème left on the panel switch to a yellow wool pad and spritz the panel with Aurora 4000. Buff at 2300-2800 rpm’s working a 2’x2’ area at a time until the panel is complete. This will provide a great finish on 99% of your light colored cars in a production shop.

Presta Products will work with foam pads, but you will NEVER find a foam-cutting pad that will cut as fast a wool-cutting pad. If you use foam pads anticipate using more product and time to buff and this is true with any compound line out there!
Click to expand...
Barry,
As this is an older post can you please provide your thoughts on the Ultra Buffing System Shop Pak (136089S) offered by Presta. I sprayed 4 coats of Universal Clear and after curing would like to follow your above process. I see that the Ultra Cutting Creme removes 1500 so would assume that you are saying to first wet sand with 1200 then 2000?
Any advice on buying individual different items rather than this kit would also be appreciated.
Thank you!
 
Hey guys, does anyone have any input on the Presta Ultra shop pack mentioned above? Does anyone use these products or maybe the compounds with other pads, backing plates, etc.?
Looking to try out Barry's process on Universal Clear.
Thanks
 
Agreed, I guess that's why I was looking for a straight forward method of products and process that Barry's seemed to be.
Can you share anything similar that I can use?
 
best compound and polish i have found is 3d aca500 and 520 for polish. use a wood cutting pad for the 500 and black foam for the 520. many of us on here have switched over to that. havent found anyone that does not like it. there are many good ones though. menzerna, sonax, etc but the 3d is the best i have used to date.
 
Great, just watched a quick video and looks like some good products. Looks like the 500 takes care of some pretty deep grooves. What's your suggestion for sanding the universal clear before the 500?
 
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