winter storage

I also store opened cans of hardener upside down in a secondary container, I know if there's a fluid leak that way and if fluid passes through the seal so does can air. Also I think it makes it harder for the air/moisture to enter. Call me nuts but I do like the old all metal containers better.
 
well i've talked to 7 jobbers and 2 have checked with tech on this. bottom line seems to be they all keep their heat at 64 degrees min . and yes the manufactures say not to store in freezing temps.
the funniest answer i got was from an old friend . he said first thing to tell them is read the square box at the bottom of the can. the one that says " to be used by trained professional only " .

by the way the same moron that questioned all this now has a thread asking the lowest temp he can spray primer . i hope the prick learns to make jelly .\/.
 
Too cheap to pay for heat, apparently. I recently bought a 5KW portable heater to place in my booth when I want some extra heat (I don't have a fancy heated booth). It has made a HUGE difference in how products perform in the winter here. I can make the booth 80 degrees when it's in the teens outside. (Disclaimer: It is not used during spraying, or when overspray is present!) The downside is it costs about 50 cents an hour to run.

I don't think it's possible to stress how necessary proper spray and cure temps are in reducing paint problems.
 
shine;15075 said:
no , he is an engineer . nuff said................
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Those train drivers are pretty smart....

Because nobody likes a smart ass, more people will listen to the dumb ones.
 
no , he is a mech engineer so that makes him an expert in chemistry . no offense to barry but it is not the chemist who develop our products. they come up with a formula but it is the thousands of shops that use them day to day that supply the feed back that fine tunes it. i've learned more from barry in the past few years than in all my career . why ? because barry will share with you ( to a point :) ) but i can promise you will never get to talk with a chemist at ppg. i was ok with the guy being an ass but when he attacked barry it was game on.
 
shine;15103 said:
no , he is a mech engineer so that makes him an expert in chemistry . no offense to barry but it is not the chemist who develop our products. they come up with a formula but it is the thousands of shops that use them day to day that supply the feed back that fine tunes it. i've learned more from barry in the past few years than in all my career . why ? because barry will share with you ( to a point :) ) but i can promise you will never get to talk with a chemist at ppg. i was OK with the guy being an ass but when he attacked barry it was game on.
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Shine, thank you but really, he is welcome too his opinion.
I'm sure he went to PhD and said "will amines turn to alcohol" and he said no way, that is true but I was answering the question of " will it hurt to put activated paint in freezer" (big difference) and nothing more, if it had been put in proper context to the chemist like I answered, depending his specialty he may know or not as the creating alcohol (Not turning into, I said), is getting rather deep and specialized.
But either way, not sure why anyone would care what that guy says, as I know I don't.
 
shine;15103 said:
no , he is a mech engineer so that makes him an expert in chemistry .
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My son-in-law has a Phd in Mechanical Engineering so he's an expert in everything. He just turned 50 and can't understand why he isn't running the corporation he works for or hasn't been given a management job. He's particularly upset that an ahole like me was a middle manager at 37 and comfortably retired at 50. Most of what I have learned came through my eyes and ears so I keep most of my ignorance to myself by not opening my mouth or ass. Hard to tell which end some of his thoughts come from.
 
i was damn near grown before i learned goddamnengineer wasn't one word . you don't mention the e word around my friends from construction and the oil patch .

but to start a pissing match over something so simple is just dumb. artificial intelligence at it's finest. if you asked that at a training seminar they would think you were in the wrong class.
and your right , he's an expert on everything. a true google warrior .
 
Bob Heine;15114 said:
My son-in-law has a Phd in Mechanical Engineering so he's an expert in everything. He just turned 50 and can't understand why he isn't running the corporation he works for or hasn't been given a management job. He's particularly upset that an ahole like me was a middle manager at 37 and comfortably retired at 50. Most of what I have learned came through my eyes and ears so I keep most of my ignorance to myself by not opening my mouth or ass. Hard to tell which end some of his thoughts come from.
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He went to college and got a degree that says he can read and memorize.
You went to the school of hard knocks and learned WHY things are as they are.
No hope for him, he is just another of the millions of educated idiots.
 
I have petitioned the management for the re-opening of this thread, hopefully we can keep it more to the discussion of the original topic!
 
We have discussed this quite a bit and here is what we have come up with...

The tread started off good and has some good info, so we are opening it back up but we have no interest in slamming other people as this is and will remain a technical website where everyone can post, ask questions and not be fearful of getting slammed or trashed as we are a better site than that and above the child's play that happens on a lot of other forums.

No need to reply to my post here as this is how this site has always been run. We will continue to do our best to keep this site running this way.
 
Thank you, I do agree with you, although the guy is on another forum, I don't think we should attack from here.

I cannot tell you how many calls I get on the tech line from people that have read post after post on here but are not registered and will not because they have seen the attacks on different forums.
I always say you won't see that here and they agree but are still gun shy.

I think the above goes with why we don't have a lounge area , also.

Thank You.
 
This is the first forum where I feel I can make the "Yep, I'm a fu$%in idiot and I did this this way and its all screwed up" and I will get a hundred answers on how to get out of my mess rather than "Dude, you are an idiot".
 
Over a whole year, my products probably from about 55° to 85°, though over 95% of the time they are between 60° and 75°. I've never had a hardener (or anything else) go bad from sitting, though I don't often have them longer than a year, opened or not.
 
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