Does flattener effectiveness change with pot life?

jtfx6552

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I resprayed my engine compartment in PPG DCC 9300 with their matting agent for the second time as it came out too flat the first time. I adjusted my ratios and this time it appeared to come out with the sheen just right, but I had some dry spots.

I waited about 4 hours (what the tech sheet said for pot life) to get a good read on the sheen, I had 14 ounces left, I mixed up 7 more in the same ratio, mixed all 21 of the ounces together into the gun.

Sprayed a real wet coat, as I didn't want any repeat of the dry spots. Now 4 hours later it is still way too shiny.

Tech sheet for the 9300 says the recoat window without a scuff is 8 hours. What are the odds the sheen will change much in the next 3? Do I really have more that 8 hours to recoat?

Is it staying shiny extra long because of the wet coat, and will it eventually die down? Or did sitting the four hours permanently lower the effectiveness of the matting agent. I did stir it extra good, and it did n't look any different that the freshly mixed paint when I combined them.
 
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for a matte finish to really become its final sheen take alot longer than 4 hours. more like 4 days. the heavier you put it on the longer it will take but in any case the minimum would be 24-48 hrs.
 
That PPG stuff will always look different depending on how you spray it and also what the environmental conditions were when you sprayed it. Almost all flattened finishes have this problem, and urethanes are the worst. I only use SPI Matte Black now because it is the most consistent and easy to spray that I have ever used. I'm not just saying that because this is the SPI forum either, there are some SPI products that don't suit my style, but the Matte "Hot Rod" Black is the stuff, honestly having sprayed lots of different flattened finishes, it's practically like magic in a can.
 
crashtech;n83444 said:
That PPG stuff will always look different depending on how you spray it and also what the environmental conditions were when you sprayed it. Almost all flattened finishes have this problem, and urethanes are the worst. I only use SPI Matte Black now because it is the most consistent and easy to spray that I have ever used. I'm not just saying that because this is the SPI forum either, there are some SPI products that don't suit my style, but the Matte "Hot Rod" Black is the stuff, honestly having sprayed lots of different flattened finishes, it's practically like magic in a can.

How flat is it? I'm looking for "eggshell", maybe a touch more gloss than eggshell. I. e. probably in between the two pictures posted. The last spray has gotten a little flatter in the past 24 hours, but I don't think it's going to get as flat as I want.
 
It's probably flatter than you want, but there are ways to slightly increase the gloss. It seems to me that those in-between gloss levels really get hard to replicate consistently. I would call Barry and talk to him about it.
 
jtfx6552 said:
crashtech;n83444 said:
That PPG stuff will always look different depending on how you spray it and also what the environmental conditions were when you sprayed it. Almost all flattened finishes have this problem, and urethanes are the worst. I only use SPI Matte Black now because it is the most consistent and easy to spray that I have ever used. I'm not just saying that because this is the SPI forum either, there are some SPI products that don't suit my style, but the Matte "Hot Rod" Black is the stuff, honestly having sprayed lots of different flattened finishes, it's practically like magic in a can.

How flat is it? I'm looking for "eggshell", maybe a touch more gloss than eggshell. I. e. probably in between the two pictures posted. The last spray has gotten a little flatter in the past 24 hours, but I don't think it's going to get as flat as I want.
The SPI matte black is easy to do spray outs of 4:1, 5:1, 6:1.

You're bound to find a sheen you like, the results are very easy to replicate after that.
 
Two hours in full sun light will kill it to about 90% of what its going to be, the rest just take time.
Yes matting agent will shorten the pot life or gel time but other than that has no relation ship to shine.
Like said you may be closer to the finish you want and just don't see it yet.
 
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