Recoat window

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NewbPainter67

Hello,

I'm in a bind with one of my panels. I sprayed base coat and missed the 24 hour window to spray more base or clear. I was wondering if I could sand the base coat and spray more base coat? if so, what sand paper do ya'll recommend? can I use 1000-1200 grit? Thanks!
 
Yes, sand it up and spray more base, but I would use 400 for solids and 600 for metallics for some better mechanical adhesion
 
Thanks flynams for the suggestion.

Bob - it is an omni base coat.
 
Some basecoats can't be recoated after sanding. In those cases, the recommendation is to literally sand it all off, or wipe it off with reducer.

Omni is sandable.
 
Yup, Omni-no problem. You really shouldn't need to sand it at all if it's within a week or so old-a grey scotchbrite rubdown would be fine if you're worried.
 
Bob - Yes, this sunday will make it a week. Do you think 1000 or 1200 grit would be ok and spray/dust a light coat of base?

Thanks Bob and Crashtech.
 
Listen to Crash, there's really no need to sand or scuff it unless there's texture or nibs you want to eliminate. Don't use waterborne wax and grease remover on it or it will melt, solvent based is ok though.
 
Bob Hollinshead;29564 said:
Listen to Crash, there's really no need to sand or scuff it unless there's texture or nibs you want to eliminate. Don't use waterborne wax and grease remover on it or it will melt, solvent based is ok though.

I agree here, and I should have asked questions...the original question sent my mind to missing the window by a long time and wanting to respray the base, not just getting back into the window...that's why this ole man should keep his advice to himself...please follow the advice of crash and bob, it's dead on....Dave
 
YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!

My car hasn't seen the sun yet and everything is done inside my garage. I tell you this is the best site for getting advice especially for a new painter like me. I also love the customer service that Barry and his team provide. A+ in my book.

I spoke to a paint rep locally 3 days ago when buying more base and he told me to wet sand the panel with 400 grit and I told him that it has only been a couple of days, but he told me I will have adhesion problem if I don't since it has been more than 24 hours. I thought I would post my question here and see what you guys thought about it. I'm glad I did as I did not want to sand all my base away.

Thank you guys... Much appreciated.
 
Bob or Crashtech - could one of you explain why it's ok to spray clear or base when passed the 24 hour window (tech sheet)? I would like to know for my own knowledge. Thanks again!
 
It's soluable, think of it as a glorified lacquer. When you shoot a fresh coat on the solvents will penetrate into the previous layers and they do fuse together. Try a test panel and you'll see while it's wet the previous coats will also be wet. It's been tested enough to show that the 24hr recoat window is not critical with many of the basecoat brands.
 
Thanks Bob!

how long does the base coat have to sit for you needing to scuff it and shoot more base or clear? sorry for asking newbie questions. The information you and Crashtech provided me will make planning easier in the future.
 
It all depends on how the part is stored, cover it in plastic and keep it clean and you won't have any need to scuff for a long time. But if you have any worries at all a simple rub with a grey scotchbrite is all that's needed and you won't be removing much material. I've had Harley parts sitting for months in basecoat under plastic awaiting their next stage of color and never had any problems just starting where I left off. I wouldn't try it with some brands of base though, example: DuPont's Chromabase and Chroma Premier is a whole different animal, if complete basecoat sanding is required for any reason DuPont recomends you strip it all off and start over, they only recommend light denibbing, and if you go over 24hours don't shoot another coat of base-the reps always recommended a coat of 222S adhesion promoter say if doing graphics out past the 24hr recoat window. I did some sanding tests in the past and confirmed why the say no sanding-the paint delamed at the sanded level no matter what grit was used it was a real eye opener. I picked the brain of a DuPont rep about the failures associated with sanding their base and still have the emails-they basically said don't sand our basecoats.
 
This is some good information. I can't thank you enough, Bob.

I have the car and panels in the garage which I washed down two days ago, but did not cover it with plastic. I am planning to spray the car/panels tomorrow morning before work when it's nice and cool in my garage and follow it up with clear the next day. Can I just rub it down with a wet rag, then tack it when it's dry and go to town? I know you can't use wax and grease remover on base coat.
 
You can use #710 solvent base, believe it or not it is less agressive than #700 waterborne, which should NOT be used on soluble finishes like basecoat.
 
Thanks Crashtech, unfortunately I do not have one currently and I am ready to give it a go. The car is already masked up (took me forever to do) and I did washed it two days ago. Anything I can get at homedepot or somewhere that will work fine?
 
If it's covered and nobody has touched it with bare hands, maybe you should just shoot it. Wiping it down with "who knows what" might cause more trouble than it solves.
 
Nope, nobody has touch it and I did not touch it after I washed it. All I did was blow it off and mask it up. I'm hoping everything goes well.
 
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