To create my own, custom basecoat . . . .or NOT?

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Let me first say that I love to experiment with paint products and procedures. Over the last 7 years I have spent time exploring and experimenting so that I might create my very fisrt show quality paint job. I have really perfected some procedures and finally settled on SPI products (should have done this sooner)

I abuse products in my test. Most recently I cut a heavily rusted piece of the cowl panel out of my '70 Camaro, brushed off the scale and put 2 heavy coats of SPI epoxy primer on it then threw it outside to see what will happen.

I am re-restoring my 1970 Chevy Camaro base coupe. The first time I "restored" it, I could not weld so I made a very competent Duraglass Sculpture. At the sorry advice of a local supply house, I used lacquer primer. . . you can guess what problems that caused. The car, which is in my avatar, gained a lot of compliments but I knew what was underneath all that yellow paint.

I began experimenting with products from a company called paintwithpearls on the internet. They sell ghost and candy pigments which can be added to intercoat or clear coat. Before I discovered SPI I used Transtar Euroclear which I never learned to spray properly. I ran or sagged it a lot. I added ghost pearl dry additive to this clear and it came out OK. Finally, I discovered DBC500 then eventually SPI intercoat clear, added ghost pearl to an intercoat over a base and acheieved the desired effect. I did all of this practice for what I began to call "the big dance". . . a second attempt at restoring my Camaro.

I mentioned that I painted my car yellow, it also had black factory style Chevy stripes. I did this before the Transformers Movie came out and all the kids loved it. They would scream "Bumblebee" everytime they saw it. It became such a popular Camaro scheme that soon there were three second genertaions Camaros running around my small little town. . .far to common for me.

One day I was surfing this very forum and discovered an avatar that HANS had at the time. It was a car form spray out of a black. . .no wait, blue paint. I discovered that the closest production match was nacht bleu a modern Porche color which appeared black until you were right on top of it, a true midnight blue.

My car is not a Z, it is a mere basecoupe factory “runway” stripes were reserved for Z28’s. I like the stripes as they add a lot to the appearance. So I came up with another idea. . . .true ghost stripes, which are only visible at certain angles. I have practiced and nearly perfected this procedure on a spray out over the midnight blue. The only limitation of the PPG DBC midnight blue is the cost. I was quoted a non-discounted price of $650/ gallon. While this will yield 2 sprayable gallons which I will need it may be a deal breaker.

Here is my thought, I can create a custom color using SPI base, SPI reducer and dry candy paint pigments from paintwithpearls. I have used the pigments and have them on a truck that has sat outside for years with no fade. The true benefit to this approach is that I can make two sprayable gallons of very custom paint for less than $200. While I am confident that I can pull off a blue that will be striking, I may get bogged down creating the perfect color. I have 6 months until it will be time to spray the car.

Somebody or a couple of somebodys call me crazy and foolish. . . .often I am both of these and mess things up. I think I will at least try this, in fact I already have but have not yet created a “must have” color for my Camro. I will share the sprayouts that I will be able to pull off with the warm enough weather that is left.
Finally, has anybody ever tried this “cheapout” method of creating basecoat.

Thanks,
Brent
 
Did you ask ChadS what he can sell you the base coat for?
 
SOF,

No, I have not yet called Chad. I have thought about it and got as far as getting his number. I will do that. Chad, if you read this do you have a public, business email which I can use to contact you?

Thanks for reminding me Senile,
Brent
 
SOF,

thanks I emailed ChadS

I may go the long route to something truly unique! Why buy somthing when you can MAKE somehting (I am plauged by this creativity thing!)
 
As long as you carefully measure your ingredients, and can reproduce it at will, you are fine. Having access to a scale that can measure to the tenth of a gram is a necessity if you want to accurately record your mix.
 
Like they say a gram scale would be great if you ever wanted to match the color again.

Can be do and the only issue is the percent of tint added to the inter-coat, so when ready you and I would need to talk because depending on what you add will decide the % ratio and pigments would be the main concern here, more so then pearls or candies.
 
so if i like a certain color i can make it by buying my own tint and adding it to spi intercoat and enjoy the pleasure of spi base?!!!??? :0
 
Yes and I have done it. Final spray out tonight. I DID speak with Barry to discuss the final specs which he approved. I will be applying the concepts in The Perfect Paintjob to what I hope will be the final time I paint this particular car.

I have decided to retrun the car to a closer to origianl color. The origianl was Mulsane Blue (very nice factory color BTW) I have given it a modern twist and have come up with a small partice electric blue metallic. I will then apply a green ghost pearl intercoat and finally ghost in the stripes. Straight on, neither the green pearl nor the stripes should be anthing but subtle, but at other angles I want both to be visisble.

Wish me luck. I will post after I spray.

Brent
 
I've done it... for example I shot my truck with black black then used very diluted ppg 9700 black in intercoat clear with a bit of silver sparkle pearl in it. not enough to turn it silver, but enough that when the sun hits it it looks a mile deep with just a hint of a sparkle... and we're doing my daughter's road bike with tangerine candy with a touch of yellow sparkle pearl added over ppg "sparkle silver base" then dusting with gold pearl before clear. the test pieces look sort of like the lambo orange / orange crush color with a bit more sparkle in it.

I do have a miligram scale and the ability to precisely measure both liquids and solids... it would really suck to have to redo a whole paint job without knowing what was in it...

I also know that a lot of times you can wind up spending a lot of time and energy only to have a sort of ok effect. paint some small test cards with all of the layers you are planning on before you shoot the whole car. I remember a motorcycle I had painted when I was a teenager with pearl pinstripes stripes under candy and the effect was not nearly as pronounced as I would have liked...
 
wca_tim;22168 said:
I've done it... for example I shot my truck with black black then used very diluted ppg 9700 black in intercoat clear with a bit of silver sparkle pearl in it. not enough to turn it silver, but enough that when the sun hits it it looks a mile deep with just a hint of a sparkle... and we're doing my daughter's road bike with tangerine candy with a touch of yellow sparkle pearl added over ppg "sparkle silver base" then dusting with gold pearl before clear. the test pieces look sort of like the lambo orange / orange crush color with a bit more sparkle in it.

I do have a miligram scale and the ability to precisely measure both liquids and solids... it would really suck to have to redo a whole paint job without knowing what was in it...

I also know that a lot of times you can wind up spending a lot of time and energy only to have a sort of ok effect. paint some small test cards with all of the layers you are planning on before you shoot the whole car. I remember a motorcycle I had painted when I was a teenager with pearl pinstripes stripes under candy and the effect was not nearly as pronounced as I would have liked...

Got any pictures of that Black truck?
 
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