candy apple red

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Steves69LS3

hey guys, i may be doing a 66 pontiac tempest convertible and the owner wants to spray the car candy apple red so i have a few questions

1. what is a good/popular candy brand?
2. can i use SPI reducers with the candy?
3. can i use SPI universal clear over it?

right now i'm looking at house of color urethane candy

thank you all

Steve
 
steve, if i was you i would not use a urethane candy. its sort of the old way of doing it and while it works and it may be slightly easier to get a less blotchy job there are a couple things i dont like about it. #1 its just a clearcoat with candy dye in it so you end up doing 3-4 coats of base then 5-10 coats of this candy and another couple coats of clear over it. thats alot of urethane in one session. it just never sat right with me to pile that much material on. trapped solvents becomes an issue. another thing is its much easier to run, like a clear coat is. if you run it your done. i much prefer getting candy dye like hok kk series and mix it in to spi intercoat clear. get all your color on and let the thing sit overnight to gas off then clear the next day. this way there are no trapped solvents. if your doing candy red, dont put it over silver. get your silver base color and pour some of the candy dye into it making a light metallic red. this will reduce the amount of candy coats you need to reach the final color and it will be easier to get things blotch free.
 
The spraying technique doing a true candy job might differ from the way most do an overall paint job. With a true candy job you will have to pay very close attention to overlap, one strip and it's over. When you do the side you will have to do the entire side with each pass not cover one panel like the fender and then the door then the quarter with candy you will need to go down all 3 panels with each pass or you will end up with darker areas at the panel seams.

A spray-out using a sizable panel is something I would also suggest be done to make sure the customer likes the outcome he might want more candy to give a richer look or less to make it lighter, each pass will change the final product. I would record each step and amount of paint applied so it can be done the exact same way to the vehicle.

Also if a repair has to be done later from say a door ding the problems have just begun as your not going to spot-in anything without seeing it.

Just food for thought.
 
There are a lot of factory colors out there these days that simulate the candy effect without the hassle. I strongly discourage candy jobs because of the extra labor, then if there is any damage it's real hard to achieve an invisible blend.
 
Thanks guys. What are your thoughts on guinn color? He makes candy paint without the candy lol
 
Never heard of it. There is a whole host of reds that some come real close to looking like they could be Candy's, Ford has some real nice reds as does Chrysler.
 
i just looked at that. They are simple candy basecoats. candy dye with metallics and pearls mixed in. i love how on the home page they call the dye flowing into the clearcoat revolutionary. lmao! all candy does this. its no trick or something they developed. candy is a dye, not pigment. the dye doesnt stay where you put it. it flows with the solvents. it will flow down into the undercoats as well as up into the clear. where solvent goes, they dye goes.
 
basf's carizzma system is nice. hok kk series, sem dyes or alsa dyes mixed into spi intercoat clear. any of these systems will be fine...for a true candy job. if you want a system with pearls and metallics mixed in already then hok has the kbc line but i think they all look kinda crappy. the colors are fine but they have no pop or sparkle. basf has bunch called candy-ez. they all look great. its really not necessary though. you can pick a base color that is just a shad or two lighter that your final color your looking for then put candy/intercoat mix over it and it will be much easier to spray. any system is fine though. the dyes are all the same from company to company.
 
I tried experimenting with Red Candy a little while ago. Made the mistake of shooting SPI silver base and then trying to get a Candy Apple look to it. Kept adding more and more Candy to the intercoat clear and even after 6 coats I was nowhere near my desired color. Stripped off the Candy coats and stayed with the SPI silver since it looked good.
What Jim C is saying makes a lot of sense to me - now. LOL
I may try again in the future following his suggestion of a shade or two lighter base than your intended color.
 
There are some Fords with code RR (ruby red) that have tinted clear coat from the factory. Sand them, and the topcoat residue appears pink!
 
I'm always thinking of future repairs. A 2 or 3 stage factory color is way more sensible especially if the car is to be street driven. Just let him know that repairing candy is time consuming and expen$ive.
 
I used Sp06 Red HOK KK red dye with HOK Sparks FX63 pearl mixed in SPI intercoat. Shot 5 coats over black epoxy and 3 coats of clear on this car.
Did several spray out cards with varying amounts of pearl and coats before I settled on what I was looking for.
 
Turns out that the wife who i work with said he wanted candy apple red. Turns out after talking to him he just wants the original montero red lol!!

But thank you to all who replied
I learned something which is always a positive to me
 
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