I see other brands of 2K Primer/Surfacers. What SPI product is comparable?

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danford1

I see other brand name primers listed as 2K primer-surfacers. For a particular product, let's use Eastwood 2K primer-surfacer, item #50240ZP.
According to the description you spray them over the epoxy primer, sand them and since they are surfacers, you can spray the paint over them without a sealer.
Which SPI product compares to the Eastwood product? (spray paint over them without a sealer).

Danford1
 
any of the spi primers except the epoxy would be considered a primer/surfacer. sealer is always an optional step and a good idea even with eastwood or any primer surfacer. sealer helps even out any sanding scratched, gives you an even color for your base and better adhesion of the basecoat to the primer.
 
Uhhhh?....... nothing Eastwood sells compares to SPI. You can spray SPI 2K and paint over it and not have any worries about bleed through IMO. Dupont has Nason 2K and that stuff is total crap and you will get bleed thru. Just because they call it 2K doesn't mean anything it really is what it's made of that counts. SPI uses nothing but the highest grade resins and other material in there formulas and it is those ingredients that make SPI better then anything you will get from your local jobber. Spraying directly over 2K is done daily in collision shops and while not a real big problem with adhesion the problem would be bleed thru and shrinking.

You can spray any primer over epoxy that is nothing special in fact it is better to do work over a coat of epoxy, if the epoxy is designed for it. Would I do work over PPG epoxy? No. Or any other jobbers epoxy. Would I do work over SPI epoxy? Yes, I do and always will it is designed for it and works flawlessly and has been proven over and over again kinda like betting a dead horse having to prove itself. I have yet to see someone be able to prove any SPI product wrong in it's ability to do what is is suppose to do or SPI claims. I have proven PPG epoxy and Dupont to fail when the reps have said otherwise to their face and they all said I did something wrong, funny thing is Barry said almost word for word what they were going to say before I showed the reps.

You can't go wrong with using SPI at all and if I ran out of something I would order more and wait for it before I would go and get something from the local jobber even if it meant the job was going to be late getting it done, but that's just me.
 
SPI regular 2k or Turbo 2k are primer surfacers. The only non-SPI product that I use in this category is polyester primer, such as feather fill, super build etc..

Sealer is an important step to any job that you care about lasting. Basecoat adhesion is so much better with one more easy step.
 
I do hope I have nothing that compares to the private label companies (slap their label on it) including the one you mentioned.
The same primer is under about 20 different labels out there.
If mine does fall in same category, then its past time for me to sell this company as the company no longer has any morals and has lost its purpose.
 
please keep those junk relabel products off this site. there is enough google expert trolling on other sites. we try to stay professional here . eastwood , summit , barret jackson etc do not make paint . they relabel cheap junk converted enamel crap. mostly by valspar or kerker . and they do not relabel 1st line .
 
I think I heard eastwoods 2k is kirker?

If so, I've used it (kirker). Their "perfect prime" builds well, sands nice, shrinks about as much as a lot of other 4:1 2k's. But it sprays like HELL.

Need a 1.8 fluid tip but 2.2 is better. But there is something about that crap, it's like it coagulates in the cup (real fast). Sprays like sticky snot, grows prime-sicles off your air horns. You have to clean your gun between cup loads (which slows down an overall). It doesn't lay very flat, which means a high percentage of your blocking is spent leveling peel before you can start focusing on leveling the panel.

Basically, your spray session can turn into a panicked $hit show, between trying to keep the gun functional (Each gun reload is like a cleaning pit stop for the poor damn gun) and coping with trying to keep everything wet on a coat...

I've also sprayed other 2k's that spray decent, but clog paper like a mother... Sometimes it's hard to win.

If you want a 2k that sprays nice and sands nice, SPI.
 
shine said:
please keep those junk relabel products off this site. there is enough google expert trolling on other sites. we try to stay professional here . eastwood , summit , barret jackson etc do not make paint . they relabel cheap junk converted enamel crap. mostly by valspar or kerker . and they do not relabel 1st line .
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I agree shine. however this may be a good honest question. And it gives us a honest opportunity to save somebody grief with a quick education. I feel that's what we are here for. But much beyond that I agree.. Keep it off the site. They are such a low quality product they are really not worth any more time than this.
 
As far as mentioned above about the SPI epoxy. I agree 100%, there seems to be nothing comparable to the epoxy.. It seems to be one of those products that really stands out from the rest, if Barry ever quit producing that product I feel like I would have to learn everything all over again. lol.
 
I think I have mentioned before, if a clear or primer sprays easy and great, that is not the test or tells you anything.
It is with primer soaking down the road and clears lasting more the 3 years if driven everyday.
There is a need for these $50-75 a gallon kit primers but that is not the market i want as it would bore me to tears and at that point have no interest is running this company.
I work everyday to make stuff better then it is now, yes i could make a 2k primer to compete with these and a rough formulation I did my cost would be about $4.33 a gallon cost and $1.75 cost for a quart of activator, I will go to hell first.
 
elwood;n81060 said:
2k simply means 2 komponents. Primer plus hardner to make it set up.
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not sure about that, or they would call it 2c. I thought it referred to Y2k with the cleaner air parameters and lower voc's.
 
I had read somewhere that it originated in Germany or Europe and that made sense to me. Germany has always been way out front it seems as far as environmental stuff goes. The German spelling for component starts with a k. It just made sense to me I could be wrong if I am I apologize.
 
Europe is way ahead of us. Any of the surveillance stuff I do for europe have to have all chrome free pretreatment and Rohs compliant materials. The majority of the products went from a 1:1 blend to 4:1
 
Thank you to all that replied. I won't buy the stuff I mentioned. I'll buy SPI primer. I'll be ordering some today :)

Danford1
 
Well, apparently I can't order any today. I couldn't find a web site, only a phone number. It is after 5PM so now I have to wait another day...
Danford1
 
Yep, call in the order. You have made a great decision going with SPI you will not regret it and the project will look better and last longer then had you gone with another brand. If you have any questions feel free to ask we will all be here to help.
 
I respect SPI for both taking care of their jobbers (that's why there's no online eCommerce I believe) AND helping us direct. Call your order in, you'll be glad you did. The times I've ordered have been great, nice folks to talk to and great advice!!

Just as a side note and for context I used to sell a LOT of DIY chip tuning equipment, but in the end guess who my biggest competitor was? Yep the folks who I bought from... Makes it tough.
 
Back in the 80s when I first started doing bodywork on a vehicle I wanted to paint, I didn't know what was good, not good to use. I didn't understand that some products were better than others. Since that time I have learned so much. Some from others, some from experience. It just takes someone that knows how to make it last to learn from. When I found SPI I changed the way I did bodywork because I discovered the benefits of using it. I quit trying other brands because I FINALLY found what I was looking for. That is my experience.
 
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