RIP Kent

wake up call for folks getting a little older. simple things have greater risk. a fall isn't going to be just bruises now days. i'm on the roof every fall cleaning the stack and drop trees every year. gets a little sketchy sometimes. sad that it was likely just a normal day for ken.
had a friend some years ago that banged his head on the bucket on the tractor. finished working had supper and died in his sleep. be careful out there especially if you're an old curmudgeon like me.
 
Thank You Chris.
I was in line to get some more power hammer stuff when I lost all contact with Lorien. She swore they were going to continue with the business, but I haven't had communication since June. I figured I was out of luck. Kent should have been proud of his hammer, the more I learn and use it, the more I'm impressed. Gonna order everything available for it when they start selling. I also have 1/2 of his english wheel build so I hope I can finish that project. His tools were top quality and you can tell they were built to be used. It's believed that Kent had a heart attack.
 
It's believed that Kent had a heart attack.
Thanks for sharing that. I was misinformed by someone else on another forum as to the cause. While the outcome is the same it makes me feel a little better knowing it wasn't a freak accident.

It's a big loss irregardless if she continues on. But if they continue producing what Kent designed/ created it will certainly be a positive. When they do get restarted, I'm planning to get enough of Kent's premium aluminum weld flux to last me for for the rest of my life essentially. Also going to get a duplicate set of his premium tips for the Meco torch. They are very good.

Going to miss him and his knowledge and unique sense of humor.
 
Were you gas welding aluminum with his lenses and flux? It was something I wanted to try, but never got around to it.
Years ago I was watching one of his training videos and my wife walked by and commented Kent seemed weird/different with his sense of humor. I laughed and asked if she's been to a car show. Old car people are weird. It's the ones that don't realize it that are really out there. :)
 
Were you gas welding aluminum with his lenses and flux? It was something I wanted to try, but never got around to it.
Years ago I was watching one of his training videos and my wife walked by and commented Kent seemed weird/different with his sense of humor. I laughed and asked if she's been to a car show. Old car people are weird. It's the ones that don't realize it that are really out there. :)
Yes I have a pair if the TM2000 lenses. I'm "decent" at gas welding aluminum. I just need to practice more. I can do a weld that looks like Kent's every now and then but I can't consistently in all positions. It's actually easier than it seems.

Yeah Kent was a bit different. He actually was a follower of an Indian Hindu named Paramahansa Yoganand. His place was attached to a commune built there in California by his followers. From what I could tell he was very dedicated to his faith. Google "Kent White bangles" and it will show a page that Kent maintained about his faith and things completely unrelated to what he was known for.
 
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Yes I have a pair if the TM2000 lenses. I'm "decent" at gas welding aluminum. I just need to practice more. I can do a weld that looks like Kent's every now and then but I can't consistently in all positions. It's actually easier than it seems.

Yeah Kent was a bit different. He actually was a follower of an Indian Hindu named Paramahansa Yoganand. His place was attached to a commune built there in California by his followers. From what I could tell he was very dedicated to his faith. Google "Kent White bangles" and it will show a page that Kent maintained about his faith and things completely unrelated to what he was known for.
I tig all my aluminum work but it will crack if you work it much. Kent says in the videos that gas welding is stronger. Last aluminum body car I did I said it was the last. I'm currently doing another. Nobody would ever get me to do a fiberglass car again and I mean that. I guess my aluminum threats are BS. I will get the aluminum gas stuff when they are back operational. I have small torch tips but the meco interests me.
 
I tig all my aluminum work but it will crack if you work it much. Kent says in the videos that gas welding is stronger. Last aluminum body car I did I said it was the last. I'm currently doing another. Nobody would ever get me to do a fiberglass car again and I mean that. I guess my aluminum threats are BS. I will get the aluminum gas stuff when they are back operational. I have small torch tips but the meco interests me.
Oxy-hydrogen was the driver in the years this was done in industry before 1943--gas welding aluminum alloys died in the WWII USA aircraft industry in one year. With 4043 rod and any typical 5000 series base--as far as developed strength--depends on the loading. It is still a poor choice except for emergency repairs.

Gas welding aluminum sheet to perhaps 1/8" thick with either oxy-acetylene or oxy-hydrogen and the typical reactive NaF or potassium fluoride fluxes is a corrosion problem for anything other than a full pen butt weld. Forney still markets a good flux. But make sure you displace any air out of the glass jar or can. Any flux that wicks under say into a lap joint will continue to corrode it. I just used the same Smith's airline torch and #3 or 4 green glass lenses since 1979 for carbon steel sheet metal and aluminum gas welding. You don't need blue lenses--if you train your eye to know when to rake the puddle with your filler rod. I used to make extra pocket money using my oxy-acetylene set-up repair aluminum drift boats where electricity was not available especially when someone popped a hole out on the river.

Oxy-fuel welding typical 300 series stainless steels with Solar flux is also obsolete today but hobbyist marketing hype people want to suggest is something new.
 
I just used the same Smith's airline torch and #3 or 4 green glass lenses since 1979 for carbon steel sheet metal and aluminum gas welding. You don't need blue lenses--if you train your eye to know when to rake the puddle with your filler rod.
The TM2000 is not a cobalt blue lens. It does though filter out the orange flare you get from the flux and offers UV protection as well. Many many people far more skilled than I have used the lens and love it.
I would like to know more how you train your eyes to see the puddle when you get so much flare looking through green lenses. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. When I look through a green lens Al welding all I see is flare. When I got the TM2000 lens it was a revelation to me. It's far far easier for a novice to learn how to when they can see the puddle, and see the AL shimmer just before melting.
Going back 80 or more years welders used some type of lens to filter the flare. Cobalt blue was common. There were others. None as effective as the lens Kent developed. I don't recall anyone ever saying that about a green lens and Al flux welding.

Every fuel and oil tank in WW2 was gas welded. And it's still the preferred way to weld a AL fuel tank if you don't want leaks. :) And to be clear when we are talking about welding AL with gas these days we are only really talking about sheet. Thick stuff, stuff other than either automotive or aviation sheet there are better methods. But with sheet gas is still ideal.

I should loan you copies of Kent's videos on gas welding. It might change your mind about some things.
 
If you use artificial light and just green #3 or 4 lenses--have the light in front of you and wear tight fitting googles to avoid light from behind. Getting rid of that distraction helps. Yes, the sodium flare from the flux gassing is a problem. I watch not the area to be melted by the flame--but just the corner of the joint that will become the toe of the puddle closest to me. There is just a milli-second of time before the heated jointed area is at just the right temperature before it falls out on the floor--the very edge just hints of a sinking down----bam---rake your filler rod in and quench and fill then just keep going.
 
In my experience 34 years
( certified to MIL 1595 and 2219 for GTAW Aluminum and 4130 chromoly
and ASME IX for carbon pipe field welding)
Ox /act has only one advantage over TIG ….lower initial cost, and perhaps some remote access advantages.
Although I’m amazed by the skill set that Kent had.
But if you can weld two pieces of 0.035 stainless filler together without burn through that sheet aluminum isn’t much of a challenge.
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In the context of coachbuilding a gas welded seam with aluminum is a much nicer seam to finish than it is with TIG. And you can essentially make the seam disappear if you wanted to after gas welding . You can't do that with a TIG. If you truly understood gas welding AL sheet you would understand some of its advantages in coachbuilding and restoration of automobiles constructed in aluminum. Kent never espoused it as a better alternative in all facets of welding aluminum but in the context I listed above it is.
And if you are constructing a fuel or oil tank out of aluminum it is superior in that gas welded seams don't leak. TIG welded seams can and do leak.

Take two sheets of AL. But weld one with gas, the other TIG. Then planish out both of them. You will understand the difference if you do.
 
Not to be too much of a thorn, but there are many variables to consider.
There are many alloys and that can make or break the flame process, but I’ll consider your expertise
and possibly try this method some time.
Although I did have a lot of helicopter parts that passed rigorous testing without failure, and passed X-ray where they pick the fly shit out of the pepper with 2 callouts in 8 years….it goes without saying I’m more confident in the superiority of the GTAW process.
If you had a fuel cell that was TIG welded and it leaked……you need to find another fabricator.
Thanks for your input Chris.
 
Not to be too much of a thorn, but there are many variables to consider.
There are many alloys and that can make or break the flame process, but I’ll consider your expertise
and possibly try this method some time.
Although I did have a lot of helicopter parts that passed rigorous testing without failure, and passed X-ray where they pick the fly shit out of the pepper with 2 callouts in 8 years….it goes without saying I’m more confident in the superiority of the GTAW process.
If you had a fuel cell that was TIG welded and it leaked……you need to find another fabricator.
Thanks for your input Chris.
I'm not saying TIG is no good, you got to gas weld, I'm just saying gas welding is still relevant in respect to what I listed above. If you look at that first vid I linked too you will see some of its advantages.
 
If you had a fuel cell that was TIG welded and it leaked……you need to find another fabricator.
Well they do, even ones welded perfectly. Do some research about it if you doubt me. I'm speaking of butt welded type seams in case it wasn't clear.
 
Screenshots from Kent's video. I would upload this segment if I could At the moment having internet issues. Shoots the whole gas is weaker theory out of the water.

Two pieces of .050 5052. One gas welded, one TIG welded. Gas on top.
Frontside
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Two pieces of .050 5052. One gas welded, one TIG welded. Gas on top.

Backside, notice anything?
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Boeing gas welded until 1994. They only stopped because the flux industry was having issues and proper flux wasn't readily available.

And speaking to what I mentioned above about leaks. Kenworth and Peterbuilt were both having issues with tanks with perfect welds, backpurged, and welded in a clean room, still leaking. It is a known issue. The Aluminum Association says that it's a weld density issue. Heat of the TIG arc causing localized gassing/boiling in the aluminum. Doesn't happen everytime but it is an issue. It is not with gas.
 
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Found this nice tribute to Kent by one of his friends in the aviation community.



Tribute to “Tinman” Kent White


Source: 2024 Q2 Beartracks, Mark Moyle
Sad News from California: “Tinman” Kent White Died on 5/19/2024
Kent was an early member of the Bearhawk community and was active in the Yahoo-based discussion groups that predate our present forum. Many of us purchased metal-shaping and welding tools, instructional videos, and supplies from Kent over the years. Bearhawk Builder Mark Moyle offers this tribute:
I hope I can even come close to relaying my reverence for Kent. From the second day I had met the man I started addressing him as Kent Master. Nearly 15 years ago I met Kent and 4 other Bearhawk builders at an aviation sheet metal class in Anchorage. Del Rawlins, Paul Minelga, Dan Schillings and Matthew Schumacher. There were other folks in this class, I don’t recall any of them. To me they were metal mashers, chimps I didn’t have any association with. I’m sure they were nice guys, but the Bearhawk guys. We were different. We obviously were not hammered mechanics like the other guys... my story relates to that.
Kent was there to teach us the basics. Taught us how to take a round disc of 5052H32 and turn it into a bowl by thickening the metal around the circumference of the circle. Now imagine 12 people all hammering on aluminum at the same time being taught by this huge man. Kent was like 7 foot if he was an inch! Here’s this huge guy using the same tool as the rest of us, but in his hands, that hammer, it looked tiny. That same hammer looked like a sledge hammer in the hands of a few of the small guys. Believe me when I say guys follow the example set for us by the teacher. Almost everyone was whaling on that sheet metal. Here’s this huge guy tapping on a thin piece of aluminum… he’s so damn big he must be putting allot of force into the metal. I’m like where are the ear plugs? I stood back and just watched for a bit before I started. Thing is I listened. Kent was one of these guys who gave you pearls of wisdom to make you think. He was an artist at it, and I think he enjoyed watching befuddlement. He enjoyed seeing the perplexing expressions on people’s faces. I could see it, it was like a twinkle in his eye. He wasn’t going to tell you how to do something one bean at a time. He’d tell a short story. Really short, maybe 5 words. You had to listen and think. I remember Paul catching on real quick. I think he was the first or second person to get the bowl done and done nicely. Turned out to make that bowl, this great big man was gentle on metal as he was as a person. I learned buckets from the guy. Even tooled up with the equipment he sold. English wheel, Planishing hammer and a bunch of his hand tools. Bought all of his videos. I have every one of his prototype planishing hammer dies.
Kent became a master European classic car restoration at Harrah’s auto museum. Kent was one of the few guys who could duplicate replacement parts with all the correct tool marks to make his part indistinguishable from OEM. He was considered royalty amongst the classic European classic car owners. It’s like Kent was many people: the teacher who didn’t lead you by the nose. The expert on European classic cars. The aviation expert on airframe repair and prototype work. To the guy who nobody really knew. Kent lived way off the beaten path. He moved to the Grass Valley, Nevada City area in the foothills of the Serria Nevada mountains in 1979. The year I moved away from Grass Valley. Kent lived in North San Juan. About as far out in the mountainous country and still be in Nevada county.
Kent was such a master craftsman. For years he build the prototype inlet nacelles for hawker beech jet engines. He was approved by Boeing to teach mechanics how to shape and replace skins on Boeing aircraft at facilities around the world. Kent was also the guy that Hollywood called upon when they wrecked damaging the tail on a Howard Hughes mono-wing replica aircraft in the movie Aviator. I have pictures he sent me of him repairing one of two aircraft in existence totaled by the insurance carrier, but had to be repaired because they performed a very specific task. A couple mechanics lifted this twin engine turbo prop with wing jacks and didn’t support the fuselage causing it to buckle badly in the middle.
About ten years ago, maybe longer. Kent began making a yearly trek to Platinum for a few weeks in late August for Silver salmon fishing. He liked that I took him on adventures and always brought him back alive. These adventures involved boats and four-wheelers to places and at speeds that would make a sissy cry out in fear. I didn’t put airplanes on that list. We did fly in some nasty conditions together, but always safely. Last summer Kent flew into Soldotna. We fished the Kenai and stayed with my daughter and her family waiting on a weather window to fly my airplane to Platinum. By the way, in Alaska, seaplane doors that are nothing but window, down low. Yeah.. do it.
We spoke on the phone often. Ask about each other lives, things real friends talk about. The emotional stuff. When it came to me tying to mine that brain of his for some nerdy odd ball thing, it was always on the phone. I avoided taking advantage of him on his vacation. Made me feel guilty. It’s like being a doctor and everyone around you is asking you things medical. Or a car mechanic whose friends want you to fix something for them. Maybe that’s why I have all of his prototype dies for the planishing hammer. We’d use them together in my shop.
Kent was a true independent thinker. He made his life his way and by his rules. I don’t think I ever heard him say or do anything that told me this guy was any thing but a genuinely nice caring person who was nice and respectful to absolutely everyone.
Kent was truly a great friend, loved that guy. We were going to a sandbar hopping fishing and camping adventure this summer. From Platinum, through the Dillingham area, up through lake Clark. I’m going to miss him. Now I’ll have to train up someone for my adventures. Didn’t have to train Kent. He was game for anything. Great great man!
 
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