Screw up of the night.............nason related. Intercoat question

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OJ86

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ok, here is small quickie project I took in. Now i have NEVER had issues laying graphics or taping lines until tonight....

Also first time I have used nason base(never again). I ASSumed the tape time was the normal 60 min or so like with the ppg and diamont paints I'm used to. Yes i am a jack ass for assuming. I dont need a lecture on that. I just need to move on to tomorrow. Doing a quick search it appears many have run into this problem as the tape time with this stuff is 4-5 hours. And it is nowhere on the tech sheet.

My plan tomorrow is to wet sand this screw up with 1000, re-base it and then use intercoat to lock it in and let it sit for a day. I DO NOT want to lay any tape on this nason crap. Bt after reading the tech manual is nason a low quality base that I should use this on?

I was going to lock it in with the intercoat and let it set up over night and then do my taping on it in the morning. I'm extremely gunshy about taping on this base.

Also I did not putchase the nason base, the golf cart owner did.

Here are my failure pics:

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I got the back half cleared. Atleast I got something accomplished:
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Also I will add, All spi primers and clears were used.

spi epoxy reduced 1:1:1 for sealing.
 
One reason I tell customers when they want to supply me with paint because they get the "hook up" at the paint store when doing small things like this "I will not be held responsible for any failures or re-dos, you will be charged accordingly." 99% of the time, they want to supply you with the cheapest stuff....they have no idea.

You should be good to go with the intercoat. I would still give the nason plenty flash before the intercoat though...just for insurance.
 
Been there and it sucks.
Only thing you can do it give the base then the intercoat lots of dry time. Don't blame you for not wanting to mask on the base.
Did the transfer tape pull off the base? Could have been slightly worse if you found out that was going to happen after you sprayed the letter color which has happened to me.
 
That sucks, I've never sprayed any NASON base but I've used their Full-Thane singlestage a few times and that stuff just reminded me of enamel, 8:1 ratio...
 
Bummer! I really feel for you, that sort of stuff happening really sucks.

If someone wants me to do something for them and they are going to supply the materials, they supply what I ask for or I don't do it. Carpentry, fabrication, painting, etc.
I have never used Nason, never liked the sound of the name, LOL. Your experience is one more reason I will avoid it.

Sorry you got screwed on this one.
 
yep but if you say anything about it or omni somebody has always done 20 show cars with it or you get the " have you ever used it " bullshit. if i step in a pile of dog shit i dont have to smell my boot to know it stinks. just like duplicolor , i dont need to use it to know it is junk. you need to charge him for your extra time. but not for the fact he supplied you with inferior paint this would not have happened .
 
shine;18967 said:
yep but if you say anything about it or omni somebody has always done 20 show cars with it or you get the " have you ever used it " bullshit. if i step in a pile of dog shit i dont have to smell my boot to know it stinks. just like duplicolor , i dont need to use it to know it is junk. you need to charge him for your extra time. but not for the fact he supplied you with inferior paint this would not have happened .
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Love your comment on dog shit, ROFLOL!

I have used Omni ss. Mistake I won't make again. Poor hiding, too easy to scratch, drying with a microfiber towel would haze it.


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ok, I let the piece sit in the sun all morning. Feather it out with 500 with an interface pad. sanded nice.

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Now can I spot seal this? and just rebase the whole thing.

While im pissed, I'm over it. Had I finished all of the carbon effect he wanted also and then this happened I would have been really pissed.

This was a test panel of the effect from the other night.
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One bright side. I found a pattern that is slightly tighter.
 
orangejuiced86;18969 said:
ok, I let the piece sit in the sun all morning. Feather it out with 500 with an interface pad. sanded nice.

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Now can I spot seal this? and just rebase the whole thing.

While im pissed, I'm over it. Had I finished all of the carbon effect he wanted also and then this happened I would have been really pissed.

This was a test panel of the effect from the other night.
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One bright side. I found a pattern that is slightly tighter.
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Is the carbon effect technic like doing lace paint?
 
Not sure. I watched a youtbe vid, lol Thought I would give it a shot.

I am more interested in doing custom paint and this is my stepping stone!

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I divided the initial effect in half and tinted some intercoat to darken it up. Although it has a brownish tint in the sun.
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I think my plan tonight. is going to be:

scuff the whole panel after it sits out all day

spot seal

rebase the whole panel - let it set up for 2 hours

intercoat with one coat.

then tomorrow after IM done chasing my kids down off their damn sugar highs, come out late, lay out the graphics and finish.

then call the owner and tell him to get his crap out of my garage.
 
See this is where the GREAT painters excel over the dumbshits like me. Knowing how to repair something. Me, I am nervous I am going to screw it up again.

I let it sit out all day. wet sanded the "sore" spot out to 800. scuffed the rest of it up. Tongiht I will start over again.

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I gotta say this elextric blue is a killer color. I have to find something else cool to paint with it!

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I payed down one coat of epoxy reduced 1:1:1 and I could see the ring clear as day. Made me nervous so I let set up for an hour and put one more coat on. Ill take a peak tomorrow afternoon and if all looks well ill lay the color. If anything shows ill wet sand it with 1000 before color. Any input would be great.

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I ran out of grey primer.

OK. I'm gonna go get drunk with my wife and hide Easter eggs.
 
I'm not familiar with Nason base but if you spot seal it I wouldn't get carried away, remember that base is a 1K and will absorb solvent. I hope Nason doesn't have any negative affects from sanding.
 
Hopefully the solvent will work it's way out overnight and you can get more color on it, I would give it plenty of flash time between coats of color. It just always seems to be touchy when you shoot epoxy or any 2k product over a 1k then come back with more 1K, think of how touchy regular bc/cc repairs are sometimes with lifting. Hopefully your color goes on just fine and there's no mapping. Bottom line is you want them solvents to evaporate so don't rush the color application. Have you done any research on sanding recomendations for the Nason base?
 
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