Als Bedliner

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Outlaw

So now that SPI bedliner is no longer amoung us, has anyone had any luck or expeirience with "Als" Bedliner? Still hoping to find a product I loved as much as SPI Bedliner...
 
I've used SEM pro-tex on a Porsche interior last fall and it's characteristics are very similar to SPI. I'd still buy SPI if they made it but I'm happy with this stuff.
 
If I remember correctly, there has been some good support here for Lizzard Skin. I actually ordered Als and the gun to apply it based on some really good reviews. Thanks for the response on SEM pro-tex Brad. I will keep that one on my list too.
 
Barry, Als Liner is a DIY product developed by Scorpion (professional spray bedliners). Its a high solids polyurethane with UV Protection and can be mixed with any color. Its getting very good reveiws. The only question I have not answered is it suggests bare metal or etch primer. I want all my metal primed with SPI Epoxy, so its just a matter of finding out of Als will stick to SPI Epoxy. Verdict still out on that one. I really dont want to have any etch primer joining surfaces or comming together with SPI Epoxy.
 
Outlaw;n72078 said:
Barry, Als Liner is a DIY product developed by Scorpion (professional spray bedliners). Its a high solids polyurethane with UV Protection and can be mixed with any color. Its getting very good reveiws. The only question I have not answered is it suggests bare metal or etch primer. I want all my metal primed with SPI Epoxy, so its just a matter of finding out of Als will stick to SPI Epoxy. Verdict still out on that one. I really dont want to have any etch primer joining surfaces or comming together with SPI Epoxy.
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It will stick fine to the epoxy, only issue I have is got on site and to decides texture depends on what size of tire chunks you add.
That raises a lot of red flags for me but I have never seen or used the stuff.
 
I just used Upol Raptor over SPI epoxy and it worked fine. Of course I have nothing to compare it to since I haven't sprayed bedliner before but I was happy with the results. Kit with 4 bottles, hardener and spray gun was $107 at my jobber.
 
My neighbor used some Raptor over SPI epoxy on a project I helped him with and it worked fine, that raptor sure is some chunky stuff though.
 
I used the Raptor U-Pol bed-liner on the undercarriage of my 1955 Studebaker. I wanted it to be the same color as the car. I was impressed with how it came out. It was my understanding that the texture could be controlled by the air pressure going into the gun.

Charlie D.
 
Yes, I upped the pressure some when spraying to get a finer look.
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Barry;n72134 said:
It will stick fine to the epoxy, only issue I have is got on site and to decides texture depends on what size of tire chunks you add.
That raises a lot of red flags for me but I have never seen or used the stuff.
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I thought the rubber was just an option that could be added if you wanted to make the final finish softer than the original finish. Did I interpret that wrong?
 
I don't know, years ago there were some low grade companies that took single stage and added rubber chunks to it and called it bedliner.
 
I checked the site again. The rubber tire product (called black rubber crumb) is an additive that can be mixed in with the regular product if you want a softer surface that will be easier on your feet or skin. Its also described for use in areas where water may be present on floors to create a more anti slip surface (or higher impact resistance). Its offered as an alternative to sand or quartz (more abbrasive). It says Als is three part product, not including tint or the rubber crumb. Im not promoting the product, I just want to find something as close as I can to the bedliner SPI provided up until last year. I like the fact Als has a lifetime warranty on its product and it has UV Protection. I think its higher priced than some other alternatives, but may be worth it long term. I will be sure and post my experience with it once I have applied it. That still will not be a good test for long term endurance, but the lifetime warranty favors that issue.
 
I am curious what you think of it as I also will be in need of bedliner & their heat & noise got my attention also. the H&N Seems comparable to lizard skin( latex base & ceramic microspheres). They are using a spray hopper to apply either product, The same thing that's used to apply texture to drywall. Depending on tip size, air & volume I can lay compound on very chunky for a knockdown or a light orange peel with said gun. Don't see why these would be any different.
 
Just waiting for the weather to warm up a little here in Montana so I can do a little outside. I also have some information on the home brew lizzard skin that is mixed with a latex paint and your own microspheres. Its much more economical but obviously not as durable as the two part bedliners. I have the microspheres and plan on mixing some to try on interior of my truck cab.
 
Im going to try to post a link here that will give some information about using latex paint and microspheres for a home brew insulator and sound deadner (interior use only).

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1265807-painted.html

When you get to the link, you will be on the last page (6) of the forum post. Go back to page one and read from the beginning. Some good comments about SPI there as well. I am thinking the guns we purchased from Barry could be used for the home brew.
 
My lizard skin gun is the same one that Barry used to sell for bedliner which is also the same gun that SEM sells with their inner panel coat kit.

Not big into home brewing something like this. I dont want to come off as a jerk and maybe I'm in a different boat building cars for other people but I'd hate to have a return in five years where sheets of latex paint are sitting on top of a headliner because they lost adhesion or the weight of dynamat pulling it off the ceiling. That would cost a lot more than just purchasing the lizard skin to begin with. Probably wouldn't happen I've never seen a failure with lizard skin.

LIzard skin is a great product, 6 years ago I built a large outdoor style wood stoves out of 3/8" steel plate that I epoxy primed and applied lizard skin over and it's great. Amazing how the door stays cool with only lizard skin applied. For the price I'm just not willing to gamble. Of course 20 years ago I used "homemade dynmat" from a roofing product that my wife still brings up occasionally. That asphalt smell was so strong I had to regut the vehicle and redo it.
 
I can not disagree with you Brad, I have no experience with the home brew product. I do not think I would use it on a customer car either. But then I would never be in the position to do a "customer car". I have two 56 Ford F-100 short box trucks in progress and a 56 F-250 long bed that I put duallies under with smoke stacks, big truck mirrors, cab lights, and a flatbed on. The 250 is kind of a test project for trying new products. Problem is the more I work on it, the more I love it and dont want to have issues with it down the road either. The cab floor (underside) and part of the engine side firewall is done with SPI Bedliner. I still have part of a gallon left. Im probably going to try the home brew on the inside of the back cab wall and maybe underneath the cab roof....not sure yet. I see in an earlier post it was mentioned that Lizzard Skin H/N might be latex and ceramic microspheres. Not to be confused with the two part lizzard skin bedliner. I have to do more research on that, but if in fact lizzard skin makes a ceramic microspheres in latex paint product, I might just follow up on the home brew to replicate that for interior use only.


Funny you brought up the home made dynamat. I have heard mixed reviews on using the big box store peel and stick insulation instead of the high end products. Some horror stories caution against it becasue its a tar base. In warm weather, the aspahult base gives off the tar smell. In many cases, it gets hot enough to let loose, especially from the roof after sitting in the sun. Dark colors seem to be more prone to the problem. In other cases, guys have had luck with it and never had anything negative to say about it. One of them "toss the dice" options we all have when restoring our cars and trucks. Anytime we try and cut corners by saving on high end products, we take the risk of paying double to fix it with a lot of hard work thrown in for a screw up.


I did a follow up post on that like I posted to see if anyone had anything to add after the product had been applied for awhile (home brew lizzard skin).
 
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