Red Oxide

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jeremyb

I'm sure, maybe at the old forum, it has been answered before but why not offer a red oxide epoxy? Just no demand for it? I thought of this after doing the inside of the mustang...i know it would be a heck a of lot cheaper, material wise...then using SS urethane with a flatening agent. Whole lot more simple with just epoxy also. I realize there are other ways to acheive the red oxide through other tintable primers and catalized ss urethane...and possibly laquer primer depending on the app. - just thought i'd ask...1 coat of quality red oxide epoxy would definately be a cheaper way and easier way on some of these restos.
 
I have looked at "Red Oxide Epoxy Primer" for years and would love to make it BUT, smallest batch I can make is 100 gallons and from talking to many PPG jobbers that sell DP74, most jobbers sell about a gallon a year at best.

It is like the aerosols we have been thinking about, quantity required means a lot will go bad towards the end.
 
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I assume it is not possible to just add tint to a gallon of white epoxy
 
That may be an option!

I need to play with as to much could throw curing off, but might work.
 
Barryk;3683 said:
I have looked at this for years and would love to make it BUT, smallest batch I can make is 100 gallons and from talking to many PPG jobbers that sell DP74, most jobbers sell about a gallon a year at best.

It is like the aerosols we have been thinking about, quantity required means a lot will go bad towards the end.
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I think if you promoted the red oxide with the Mach 1, Boss 302, Boss 429 and Shelby Mustang restorers it would sell. You would need to get it listed as a new product in Mustang Monthly and Modified Mustangs & Ford. I might be able to help you get in the magazines.
 
I was thinking about the tint...i know utech has an epoxy that is tintable. the E350. i know nothing about it other than that..i assume its a true epoxy.
 
rusty428cj;3690 said:
I think if you promoted the red oxide with the Mach 1, Boss 302, Boss 429 and Shelby Mustang restorers it would sell. You would need to get it listed as a new product in Mustang Monthly and Modified Mustangs & Ford. I might be able to help you get in the magazines.
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I believe the Falcon and Comet had the red oxide treatment in the early years also.
 
Sign me up for Red Oxide. I have been struggling with what to do with my Mustang. I had resigned myself to using black as I won't pay the PPG price. But if there is a chance to get SPI Red Oxide Epoxy I will jump through hoops.
 
I'd like to see a red oxide, the dark red that GM used would be good or even a lighter version that could be darkened by adding some black epoxy would be good. I had to come up with a red oxide for some underdash areas recently that will mostlikely see some inspecting by judges-would have been cool to stay with all SPI products. Some of the GM restos are all red oxide underneath, along with most of the early Fords. Red tint is more expensive I imagine but I bet it would sell-also maybe to the rat rod crowd that don't go for black or grey...
 
I think it would be a good idea, but would have to have a way to market it, so that it would sell.
Also not good to have a product that just sits.
 
As dad said, the market for red oxide primer is tiny. We've looked at it for many years and the numbers aren't there.
 
i would think it would be there for a red oxide epoxy. lot of guys like a red base for red cars. and every restored car from the 50-60's will have red oxide on them .
 
I think you are missing a big market. Once the word got out it would sell. There are a lot of Mustang restores out there. You could be the only one that makes the correct red oxide for Fords. Once they try the red oxide that would start buying other SPI products.
 
Hey, maybe a joint venture on a 100 gallon batch so SPI isn't left hanging if (for some unknown reason) it doesn't sell? Something like a pre-buy on the first batch or maybe profit sharing or . . . Hmmm, sorry I got carried away.
 
Now as I understand it the PPG 74 read was changed a few years ago and that pissed some people off, what do people consider the proper red now?
 
Bob Hollinshead;3734 said:
I'd like to see a red oxide, the dark red that GM used would be good or even a lighter version that could be darkened by adding some black epoxy would be good. I had to come up with a red oxide for some underdash areas recently that will mostlikely see some inspecting by judges-would have been cool to stay with all SPI products. Some of the GM restos are all red oxide underneath, along with most of the early Fords. Red tint is more expensive I imagine but I bet it would sell-also maybe to the rat rod crowd that don't go for black or grey...
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Actually the Red Oxide used here is not expensive at all, I just would have to make sure I matched the proper shade, so no one got pissed off.
 
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It definately wouldn't sell as much as the black,grey,and white but I'm sure the people doing correct style restorations would be all for it-don't know how much it would increase sales. I use mostly black, some grey, and rarely white. The user could mix in white or black to lighten or darken the red. Or tune the color in to match the Ford red oxide then determine how much black is needed to get the GM match-print it on the label. Chrysler also used a red oxide I think.
 
Chrysler did, but only visible areas are parts of the rear frame rails and under the dash. It is amazing how much body color they acutally got in the hull of the car, most from when painting the trunk floors...which are freakin huge. I have to climb inside them to get them colored good...lol.
 
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