Will that match?

Chris_Hamilton

Trying to be the best me, I can be
Three stage right? Ok I see the Ford ruby red below the pic. So yeah three stage. Did you mix this? Do you have an alternate deck? Did you match the color with the alternate deck or did you just use the "Prime" formula? Ford Ruby Red in most systems has a couple of different alternates. If it's reasonably close you can blend it and be ok. Do your sprayout, spray one coat of clear on it and go from there
 
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texasking

Active Member
I have personally never had much luck checking color with a stick. Colors that matched on a stick rarely matched when sprayed for me. Then again, all you can hope for is a blendable match, anyway.
 

serjik911

Active Member
Three stage right? Ok I see the Ford ruby red below the pic. So yeah three stage. Did you mix this? Do you have an alternate deck? Did you match the color with the alternate deck or did you just use the "Prime" formula? Ford Ruby Red in most systems has a couple of different alternates. If it's reasonably close you can blend it and be ok. Do your sprayout, spray one coat of clear on it and go from there
a month ago i tried Prime, and that was horrible. Today, i took a part and went to supplier. found best chip that looked blendable.
yes, spray out was a great idea, but i went , as usually, stupidest way as possible and started just spraying, praying that it will be fine. Thats after spraying 2 coats of base
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serjik911

Active Member
I have personally never had much luck checking color with a stick. Colors that matched on a stick rarely matched when sprayed for me. Then again, all you can hope for is a blendable match, anyway.
i dont believe in stick either, but when i see that far off...
 

texasking

Active Member
Ya, that base isn't going to work. I see you're painting the front bumper, what about the hood and left fender? If the 3 stage base is that far off it will be very difficult to blend and make it look right. Would definitely need at least the back door, and would probably be easier to do the whole side, whole hood, and blend the left fender, to get it over with.
 

Chris_Hamilton

Trying to be the best me, I can be
What brand? Give the jobber the VIN#. All Majors now use the VIN to get the correct formula or alternate formula. Once you get the right color use blender in your last coat of base on the base blend, then use blender again on you last coat of mid in the mid blend. Like Texas said you are gonna have to extend it to at least the rear door. Probably be easier for you to do the side like Texas suggested.
 

serjik911

Active Member
What brand? Give the jobber the VIN#. All Majors now use the VIN to get the correct formula or alternate formula. Once you get the right color use blender in your last coat of base on the base blend, then use blender again on you last coat of mid in the mid blend. Like Texas said you are gonna have to extend it to at least the rear door. Probably be easier for you to do the side like Texas suggested.
its mipa. and i dont think mipa has any database based by vin. Again, chip was pretty close to part, blendable.
i didnt apply clear, willtry omni+ tomorrow. i remember did RR without blend and wasnt too bad. but will use spray card for sure before shooting
 

crashtech

Combo Man
Don't mind if I chime in on color generally for a moment. Something that has become pretty obvious over the years is that most of the time the chips don't look like an actual sprayout, especially the flop. That's due to a lot of things, but one of the main ones is that it's not really possible to duplicate the conditions under which the chip was made. So many variables! When I first switched to Standox and also changed base guns I had a problem where a suspiciously large number of my colors were having dark flops. Turns out that for what I was doing, I needed about 8 psi more on average due to the two changes. Now my sprayouts are closer to the chips some of the time, but the really nice part is when making the the color again, it will usually match the sprayout very closely, with much better accuracy than chips. So it's really nice to have the notebooks and get "hits" on the personal color database, so to speak.
 

Chris_Hamilton

Trying to be the best me, I can be
Also this is where being able to blend is so important in collision repair. If you work on that skill you can take a marginal match and be able to make it work. Done it many many times.
 

crashtech

Combo Man
So many bumper jobs though! I've had to blend the other quarter on a white pearl bumper/quarter job before , but it's sure not something we like to do every day! But blending's another very important aspect, knowing when you have plenty of room to fade out and the skill to make it disappear makes the color match process that much easier and the result that much better, for sure
 

texasking

Active Member
The less room you have to blend, the closer the color match needs to be. If you have a whole panel, that is a luxury. Bumpers are a problem, as are bedsides, because insurance companies are ignorant, crooked, and cheap.
 

serjik911

Active Member
The less room you have to blend, the closer the color match needs to be. If you have a whole panel, that is a luxury. Bumpers are a problem, as are bedsides, because insurance companies are ignorant, crooked, and cheap.
im dreaming about getting insurance job.
 

texasking

Active Member
im dreaming about getting insurance job.
Whatever you do, don't tell them you have any experience doing body work or painting. They don't want anyone that knows anything about the business. They want to teach you what they want you to know, which is basically that all body shops are out to rip off the insurance company. I was talking to a young insurance adjuster a few weeks ago, and the topic of aftermarket parts came up. I asked him if he would want an aftermarket fender on his new truck, and he replied that it wouldn't matter because all the parts come from the same manufacturer, just in a different box. Obviously, he was schooled to think that, and with no experience otherwise, made the perfect company man.
 
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Chris_Hamilton

Trying to be the best me, I can be
So true:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:...Old days most adjusters were former body and paint guys and were pretty decent to work with once you got to know them. Now they are like you said Texas, one year out of College and half of them couldn't change a tire if they had to.

Best Adjuster story I have is way back in the mid '90's. I was working at a pretty high end Collision Shop. Kind that specialized in European cars. Mainly Mercedes. I was doing one and the Vito the Owner of the shop and a Adjuster came out to look at the car as we had a supplement on it. Now Vito was really high strung. He could be hard to get along with, I did great with him cause he was just like my Dad so I knew how to deal with his personality. Well Vito wanted a new hood for the Mercedes I was working on, car was almost brand new and Vito didn't want to repair the hood. I had taken the hood off the car already and it was on a stand. The adjuster didn't want to pay for a new hood and told Vito that it didn't matter that the car was almost new, that he was more than generous with the repair time and that was all he was going to do. Well that set Vito off. He grabbed the hood off the stand, threw it on the ground and proceeded to jump up and down on it screaming, "it needs a new hood now gd'it !" (or something like that:)) Adjuster just stood there with his mouth open, you could see he was shocked. I had to walk away cause I was trying not to laugh. Long story short Vito got his new hood.:) From then on whatever Vito wanted he got, from that Adjuster.
 
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