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an apology

#1
i am apologizing in advance to barry and all the faithful spi users who use spi facebook . i am about to go full tilt moron on there .
as i struggle with this chemo ( this shit is horrible ) after losing another lobe of lung about all i can do is set on my ass and hope to make it to the end of this treatment . 3 left .
now to my rant . because of they type of cancer and the strange place it began we are pretty sure my stupidity in my youth and 45 years of exposure it is paint related .
as i watch the post on there i see idiot after idiot posting pictures of them painting stuff. the latest one that just sent me over the edge is some guy teaching his son to paint . standing in the makeshift booth in juvenile shorts and a wife beater tshirt watching his son paint in a tshirt , both wearing wore out 3m disposable mask that damn sure have more than 8 hrs on them . and that is 8 hrs exposure to air not painting time . i am now a supporter of license to purchase and training certificate for painting . i refuse to even teach my god son to paint . i told him i would teach him to do other things to pay for a paint job .

so when i start a full blown pissing match with some idiot and spoil a thread on fb or even here i'm sorry . papa always said you cant fix stupid , all you can do is tie it to a tree .
 
#3
That’s a tough situation to deal with. Lean on family and friends as you get through it and try to focus on the good times ahead once you get this past you.
Regarding the unsafe practices... I think it helps to hear from professionals and people like who who know the dangers and can emphasize why it’s so important to follow proper safety precautions.
Some people just don’t know any better. They either didn’t pay attention to the warnings or they think it’s just the CYA warnings that are so prevalent about everything these days. Or they think since they are a hobbyist and don’t do it all day, every day, that the limited exposure isn’t a big deal. Then there is the young, stupid, and invincible category that I can include myself in from many years ago. I’m 55 now and not a professional but have always been a hobbyist woodworker, car nut, and DIYer. I worry now about how stupid I was when younger working in my shop woodworking with no dust mask, or sanding on a car, or finishing drywall and only using a mask when it got really bad. Back then I didn’t even know how harmful it could be. I’m getting ready to spray epoxy for the first time in the next couple weeks and have been researching what kind of respirator and gear I need to get. Something I never would have given much thought 30 years ago.
It’s the forums and social media these days that is so helpful because guys like you can pass on helpful and important health and safety advice.
 
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jlcustomz

evil painter
#4
Shine if it makes you feel any better, not all of your rants are in vain. I mentioned to you in a pm about paint booths that most of my day job entrance door stuff is waterbourne now.
I ain't really scared of dying one day, But dying a miserable slow death if I can avoid it is not a good thing.
Years ago at work, my entrance door painting & staining was fewer & further between, no sort of paint booth exhaust fan setup & no (real) painting mask. One day had to spray customer supplied finish I hadn't used before, conversion varnish. Didn't expect a wood finish from Sherwin Williams store to be so strong. Having your nuts in throbbing pain the next day is no picnic.
Anyone that wants to doubt an older experienced person on why not to do certain things is at their own risk.
 
#6
shine, sorry to hear about the health issues. hope everything works out and you pull through ok. hang in there buddy!
 
#7
Shine, thanks for reminding us about the hazards of this business and sorry for your health problems. i'm guilty of my "get it done" mentality putting personal safety in the back seat. I use a 3m full face mask (most of the time) with the organic vapor cartridge filters, rubber gloves, and a full hooded tyvek coveralls. I spray maybe 1 hr per day, intermittently through out the week, so the filters are being exposed to air everyday although I'm not necessarily painting. So, I don't change them as often as I should. What would be the BEST performing personal air system available for use in a spray booth? Something like this? https://pksafety.com/allegro-1-worker-full-face-mask-airline-respirator-system/
 
#9
thanks guys . i use a full hood by bullard .. i dont trust filter mask of any kind now . this is the hood . once you get the hat and air tube they are cheap to replace . better prices can be found .
https://www.northernsafety.com/Prod...Supplied-Air-Respirator-Double-Inner-Bib-Hood

now i use a large shop vac for air . filled with ice on hot days. run it to a filter and go . or they make a charcoal filter inline . i have a plastic 55 gal drum with copper coils for my blasting booth .

i can tell you this shit i'm going through is not any fun . the surgery was hell both times but this chemo is brutal . please take care of you bags . they're all you get .
 
#10
I keep my respirator in a gallon zipper freezer bag in order to limit its exposure to the atmospher. I'm not certain how much good it does but it can't hurt.

John
I do this too, but I never smell paint and how do you know the filter is still working since the bad stuff you are filtering out is odorless (so I'm told)??
 
#11
If you use a fresh air supplied respirator, make sure the air supply pump is in a place where it can only draw clean air. Had a guy, once, park a running car outside the booth doors and left it running because the battery was dead, while I was spraying. The pump was mounted on top of the mix room, maybe 15 feet away. Luckily it was running rich enough that I smelled the exhaust before it killed me.
 

Chris_Hamilton

Trying to be the best me, I can be
#12
Shine, thanks for reminding us about the hazards of this business and sorry for your health problems. i'm guilty of my "get it done" mentality putting personal safety in the back seat. I use a 3m full face mask (most of the time) with the organic vapor cartridge filters, rubber gloves, and a full hooded tyvek coveralls. I spray maybe 1 hr per day, intermittently through out the week, so the filters are being exposed to air everyday although I'm not necessarily painting. So, I don't change them as often as I should. What would be the BEST performing personal air system available for use in a spray booth? Something like this? https://pksafety.com/allegro-1-worker-full-face-mask-airline-respirator-system/
System like Shine uses, full hood with a supplied air pump. Full face masks (with supplied air) are less effective, regular style mask would be the least effective.

I've heard different numbers with regard to a regular charcoal style filter's effectiveness with Iso's. Shine mentioned 8 hours. 3M rep told me 24 hours. If you leave it out overnight you have pretty much ruined it's ability to filter out ISO's, so keep it bagged. Err on the side of caution. replace it often or get a supplied air system. Shine's idea of using a Shop vac is a good one.
 
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EddieF

Top Banana
#14
Ventilation's so important. Like Shine pointed out months back about the inflatable booth. I'd never.
If i'm spraying in garage, overhead door's open a few feet, side door's wide open with box fan cranked.
Yes i get dirt, dust, bugs. Lay it on thick enough, sand trash out later & live to enjoy waxing it & pita preserved bug.
I never knew how bad sand blasting is with sand till i think Chris mentioned it.
On tv show Horsepower? they built Edlebrock car & sprayed it red. I still see the painter's smiling face saying "that's alot of red!" after removing mask and rest of face looked like back in the day's open wheel race drivers face after race but red not black.
 
#15
one other thing that people need to be reminded of is when you open paint and mixing,your eyes absorb more than probably any other part of the body.
just a thought was told about years ago.
 
#16
I’m not against investing in a nice clean air supplied paint mask but for those of you who paint out of a small garage and have a system like this - how do you drag 2 hoses around and not get it in your paint? Trying to climb a ladder and keep just the gun hose away from the car while I paint a roof is hard enough
 
#17
i do not drag around a hose. i lay out my hose before i start . it is as important as spraying . the hood has a belt that the hose is attached to .
 
#18
So as your walking around there is an air hose that you’re attached to. If I understand- I’m imagining it hooked up to your shop vac ? Did I read that correctly ? Still have to watch where that air hose is though? I’m trying to understand cause it’s something my wife would love me to do but I don’t cause the gun hose is hard enough to keep track of
 
#20
air supply for the hood . also cooling in summer .
again i lay out my hose so i am walking it not dragging it around. many times i tape the 2 together if doing a hull so i am just working one hose . the hose for the hood is a 1/4 so it's not too bad .
 
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