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i have had this happen when i let epoxy sit too long. in my case this is why i have said for years that when basing on epoxy that it cant be more than 24 hrs before base goes on. that 7 day window is fine for more epoxy but not base. preferably i get base on it within 30 min. not saying thats what happen to shine but in my case i have seen it over and over. base will have better adhesion to epoxy than anything out there BUT you have to get on it quick. sorry to hear you have to strip it shine. that sucks
 
JGR said:
Just my opinion and I'm not trying to be a bone head BUT for the life of me, I just don't know why anybody would seal anything before paint?
I can see it in the collision world but not in the restoration/ overall painting of a vehicle. Adding one more layer means one more chance of something going wrong! If you are spraying over a sanded/flat catalyzed surface what is the point? I have been doing high-end restoration work for about 30years and never sealed anything. Sorry I just don't understand it specifically to those who use Epoxy for sealer, sorry that one really strips my gears..... please don't hate me but I would be open to a good conversation with you about it
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As said, we dont want to hijack the thread so that you can start a post; you need to know the difference between 2k primer, urethane sealer, and epoxy sealer.
 
got the rear qrts trunk peeled . be taking the interior out today so i can remove the trim . leaving the doors on til last .
i'm limited on how long i can work . just depends on the muscle cramps in my side . but i'll get it done just a little slower now days . i'm remodeling our house and clearing 10 acres of land also . 4 days on the 56 ,2 on the house and 1 on the dozer .
selling off my projects since i doubt i'll get them done .
 
Barry said:
As said, we dont want to hijack the thread so that you can start a post; you need to know the difference between 2k primer, urethane sealer, and epoxy sealer.
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Sorry, that was not my intention, No disrespect Berry but I definitely know the difference between 2k primer, urethane sealer, and epoxy sealer
 
the weird thing is the blue tries to stick but the silver is loose . on the rear i found only 2 small spots in the silver that had any adhesion at all . but the blue is separating and leaving a small amount of silver toner and some blue . weirdest thing i've seen in 50 years .
 
I'm just spit-balling ideas here, do you activate your base? If so, could this be an issue with the activator in the base?
 
guys my age ( older than dirt ) can remember the simple days of painting . 90% of paint problems then were mechanical .
lacquer would melt into the next coat tomorrow or the day after . there were only a few issues we delt with .
plus there were only a few major suppliers . nothing got sanded past 600 . it's likely something i did or did not do . the cab was shot while ct scans to see if i had lung cancer so my feeble on mind wasn't working very well . since i decided this would be my last i guess i got the big one . i've avoided those all my life . going out with a bang i guess .
maybe i will build the falcon and have my last as a 60's wild custom job . i know the owner so time not important :)

i didn't see my DA list up on the wall so that may have been part of it .
 
It's easy to make a mistake when you have such huge problems on your mind. Seems to me that part of it might have been the sealer or primer out of the recoat window, but the base coming apart is strange. Could that be from not activating?
 
i can think of one other time when i had something like this happen and it was with daimont base. i believe it was a base color that had a ton of pearl in it and i have no proof but i think no additional clear binder was added to the mix to account for all the extra pearl. either that or there was a toner that was allowed to settle and my color was mixed from the stuff at the bottom of the can. in any case i dont believe there was enough binder/resin in the mix to hold the paint all together. the base would not stick to anything i sprayed it on and it also covered almost too well. there was just something off about it. it was way overloaded with pigment. this was back when the jobber was mixing my paint. i am wondering if something like that has happened here?
 
I'm going to check if my insurance protects me against this kind of thing, where you do everything right, but the stars align against you and you end up responsible for a mess that is not really your fault. It's a scary preposition, and it sucks.
 
got the interior out so i can remove the rest of the trim . can finish up the peeling then start on the roof .

gotta get ready for the freeze this morning . looks like a couple of days of nasty .
 
if it wasn't weird enough after the paint peeled off this is what i found . why would it still be blue ???

as you can see peeling it like this does almost no harm to the surface . few small nicks but beats hell out of trying to sand it all off and resurface it .
 

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And to think that had you not caught it and gave it to the owner that could destroy a hard-earned good reputation.

So just a reminder to those looking to go on the cheap there are times it just isn't worth the risk not to mention the headache. When things like this happen, it will without a doubt take the wind right out of your sails and have you second guess ever doing another.
 
a little color left behind i think would be normal. i have always had color left behind whenever i have cleanly removed paint. when you apply the base, the solvent in it will partially soak into the primer. with a candy, the primer would be totally stained blue since its dye base and travels with solvent. with regular pigmented base it will still leave a little coloring behind as the reducer swells up or opens up the primer slightly sort of burning in the blue pigment from your base. from what i can tell in the picture its very minimal. actually less than what i would expect. if thats epoxy then its usually more resistant to solvents and less porous than urethane so that would explain why its so light. i would expect urethane to be more blue than that.
 
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